What's this SGC rumor????

[Mrvintage]

Here is my National grading experiences...First off i had a 33 George C Miller that was graded a psa 4(mk). Not wanting the qualifier I take the card to SGC and ask about a crossover. The guys that helps me at the SGC booth says he is one of the grader so I show him the card and he looks it over and says "that shouldn't be a problem" about getting a straight 4 grade so i pay the 20.00 bucks and come back 2 hours later to pick up my card and it is still in the psa holder with a sticker that says it didn't meet the min grade. I cracked out a psa 3 George C Miller and took it to psa and it got bumped to a psa 3.5. I took 3 1996 Ex-2000 Kobe Bryant rookies that were pulled by myself from boxes that same day to Beckett for their raw card review and when I picked them up I had an 8.5, 8, and one that said evidence of trimming....all of the companies make mistakes

[canjond]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

so I show him the card and he looks it over and says "that shouldn't be a problem" about getting a straight 4 grade so i pay the 20.00 bucks and come back 2 hours later to pick up my card and it is still in the psa holder with a sticker that says it didn't meet the min grade.

I like SGC, but if this happened to me, I would be VERY pissed. I'm happy SGC takes cross-overs seriously, but if a grader tells you "it shouldn't be a problem", you then pay him, and it instantly becomes a problem - well to me that's bad practice.

[JamesGallo]

What is going on here!! Ever since Spence bought in at SGC that place has been a freaking mess. Michael is one of the best employees they have ever had and his customer service is a HUGE reason why I spend so much time and money with SGC. They can't manage to keep one guy happy. I was wondering why I didn't see him at the National and this explains why. IMO I will not be using SGC until this mess gets cleaned up one way or the other. This back and forth is just not acceptable.

I like the graders over there and all, but honestly who is running things from a service point of view. As far as I am concerned the front man, the customer service rep is the face of the company and they keep messing with it. I love SGC and really have always been a huge supporter but this is crap.

One simple question....
How do you ruin a great company in less then 1 year?

Answer-Get bought by JSA.

James Gallo

[glchen]

Again, I want to point out that I'm not picking on SGC, and PSA has tons of examples of doing this. However, this Magie that sold on ebay recently, doesn't this look like it should have been graded Authentic because of the writing on the front of the card, which looks like there was an attempted erasure? The original owner of the card listed this on ebay BST on the board, so he may know better, of course.

The other thing is that, and this is not really an overgrade, but more of a difference in grading philosophy, but SGC is much more lenient on diamond cuts than PSA IMHO. The Gehrig that was slabbed by SGC as 3, probably would have received an Authentic from PSA. Again, I can point out these two cards from SGC, and be shown 20 cards from PSA that have similar, if not worse, issues than these. No question that PSA needs to tighten up their grading consistency better.

I also have to say the ex-SGC employees are superb. When looking at the SGC board, it's crazy how much work Brian is still doing there. He doesn't even work for SGC anymore, and he's still answering forum questions, updating the SGC registry. That's dedication. I also had the recent experience working with Derek Grady on a consignment for Heritage. He was extremely pleasant and made the entire process for my first consignment to Heritage very smooth. Those beaters in the November Signature auction are mine! I haven't had a chance to work much with the new crop of SGC reps, but I do have a growing pile of cards that I'm preparing to send that way, and they have big shoes to fill.

[danmckee]

I like Scott the grader a lot. He is a super guy and fun as hell to hang out with. I like Michael as customer service and Brian was amazing. Derek was an asset as well.

I even liked the new guy they hired in place of Michael that is now gone already. I hear there is one particular guy that is making everyone else miserable. I would think a company would see this and rectify the one instead of the many.

I... better stop right here

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by glchen

The other thing is that, and this is not really an overgrade, but more of a difference in grading philosophy, but SGC is much more lenient on diamond cuts than PSA IMHO. The Gehrig that was slabbed by SGC as 3, probably would have received an Authentic from PSA.

Grading companies have the right to define their own grading standards. However, nowhere in SGC's or PSA's standards does it say that diamond cuts (or cards with erasure marks) receive an automatic "Authentic." I'm not sure where you came up with that.

[GehrigFan]

Obviously I'm not a submitter of graded cards, but as a friendly competitor of SGC, and being set up next to them, I thought they seemed to be doing just fine. As always, I found the staff to be friendly and I always enjoy talking to Dave, Brian, etc. Competition is good, so I hope they had a very successful show.

Mark Anderson
Beckett Grading

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by glchen

Again, I want to point out that I'm not picking on SGC, and PSA has tons of examples of doing this. However, this Magie that sold on ebay recently, doesn't this look like it should have been graded Authentic because of the writing on the front of the card, which looks like there was an attempted erasure? The original owner of the card listed this on ebay BST on the board, so he may know better, of course.

The other thing is that, and this is not really an overgrade, but more of a difference in grading philosophy, but SGC is much more lenient on diamond cuts than PSA IMHO. The Gehrig that was slabbed by SGC as 3, probably would have received an Authentic from PSA. Again, I can point out these two cards from SGC, and be shown 20 cards from PSA that have similar, if not worse, issues than these. No question that PSA needs to tighten up their grading consistency better.

I also have to say the ex-SGC employees are superb. When looking at the SGC board, it's crazy how much work Brian is still doing there. He doesn't even work for SGC anymore, and he's still answering forum questions, updating the SGC registry. That's dedication. I also had the recent experience working with Derek Grady on a consignment for Heritage. He was extremely pleasant and made the entire process for my first consignment to Heritage very smooth. Those beaters in the November Signature auction are mine! I haven't had a chance to work much with the new crop of SGC reps, but I do have a growing pile of cards that I'm preparing to send that way, and they have big shoes to fill.

This is one of my complaints with SGC. IMHO, SGC needs to establish a qualifier with their grading system. A couple of years ago, I purchased a 1941 Playball card that had four obvious glue marks on the back from when it was placed in a scrapbook. The card looks great on the front but the seller did not disclose a picture of the back during the auction. I did not complain as I won the auction with a good price. But, I was disappointed with SGC.

[spacktrack]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

This is one of my complaints with SGC. IMHO, SGC needs to establish a qualifier with their grading system. A couple of years ago, I purchased a 1941 Playball card that had four obvious glue marks on the back from when it was placed in a scrapbook. The card looks great on the front but the seller did not disclose a picture of the back during the auction. I did not complain as I won the auction with a good price. But, I was disappointed with SGC.

I'm not aware of any qualifier out there that denotes glue on the back of a card. If the card looked great on the front, but had glue on the back, I'm sure SGC graded it low (10-40 maybe) which would signify some other issue going on with the card.

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

This is one of my complaints with SGC. IMHO, SGC needs to establish a qualifier with their grading system. A couple of years ago, I purchased a 1941 Playball card that had four obvious glue marks on the back from when it was placed in a scrapbook. The card looks great on the front but the seller did not disclose a picture of the back during the auction. I did not complain as I won the auction with a good price. But, I was disappointed with SGC.

I am against the qualifier and I am glad SGC does not use one.

If I am buying any card from EBAY I want to see a scan of the back. PSA, SGC, raw...doesn't matter. If the card looked great on front and received a low grade from SGC, wouldn't you have to assume something is afoot with the back and request a back scan??

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by Robextend

I am against the qualifier and I am glad SGC does not use one.

If I am buying any card from EBAY I want to see a scan of the back. PSA, SGC, raw...doesn't matter. If the card looked great on front and received a low grade from SGC, wouldn't you have to assume something is afoot with the back and request a back scan??

I assumed that there was something wrong with the card such as a wrinkle etc... (the card was a 1941 Playball SGC 40 Tommy Henrich and I won with a $10 bid so I wasn't too worried about getting a scan of the back) However, I did not assume that there would be glue stains on the back with that type of grade. The qualifier is one thing that I like about PSA so we will have to agree to disagree.