Piedmont Cards / ACE Authenticated Babe Ruth Signed Silver Certificates

[Exhibitman]

Scary stuff, that's for sure.

I was nearly burned on a Marciano wife-signed piece; I recognized the handwriting instantly when I saw the exemplars posted here. It was a PC postmarked in 1956, so he was having her sign stuff even then. JSA caught and rejected it at the National.

[thetruthisoutthere]

I was checking out some of the putrid crap on the Sept. 2011 Coach's Corner auctions and counted 134 autograph auctions that are certed by ACE (Justin Priddy). Much more than Chris Morales or Ted Taylor.

No surprise here.

I wanted to add that of the 134 auctions that are certed by ACE (Justin Priddy) 124 do not contain photos. How convenient for Justin and Coach's Corner.

[RichardSimon]

Guess Justin is the new favored authenticator for the Roaches.
Way to go Justin!!
Wonder how Mssrs. Taylor and Morales feel about that.
It is a shot at their pocketbook, so I am sure they are not happy.

[slidekellyslide]

I invited Justin to come over and participate in these threads, but haven't heard back...I wonder why?

[mr2686]

Guess Justin is the new favored authenticator for the Roaches.
Way to go Justin!!
Wonder how Mssrs. Taylor and Morales feel about that.
It is a shot at their pocketbook, so I am sure they are not happy.

Actually, this is probably a way to get some of the heat off of Morales and Taylor buy adding another "experienced" authenticator that agrees with their, um, expert opinions.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I invited Justin to come over and participate in these threads, but haven't heard back...I wonder why?

Dan, there is nothing that Justin can say to defend his authenticating those cut sigs and, of course, his failure to ask the question "How did you (Frank) come to acquire these 13 Christy Mathewson and 42 Babe Ruth cut signatures?"

If Justin didn't raise an eyebrow to being asked to cert all of those cut sigs then he is totally clueless.

[GrayGhost]

And of course, as Chris and others have said, what MORON customer would not be curious as to how a dealer gets SO MANY similar "cuts" and such of difficult and/or popular signatures. Blind faith can get get you ripped off.

[travrosty]

there is a wife signed marciano on ebay right now, i am trying to get it removed., maybe it is the same postcard, or a similar one, but definitely no good.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROCKY-MARCIA...item19c8038e0e


but ebay is slow to respond, most of the time i report something with proof, not just specualation, it just remains up, very frustrating. (sigh!)


there is also a marciano preprint on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rocky-Marcia...item2566beb959

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http://joeheavyweight.com/rockymarciano.aspx

both of these examples are on my marciano page, near the bottom.

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

And of course, as Chris and others have said, what MORON customer would not be curious as to how a dealer gets SO MANY similar "cuts" and such of difficult and/or popular signatures. Blind faith can get get you ripped off.

This was what raised my curiosity. I saw that Piedmont Sports had listed a Christy Mathewson signed "Won in the Ninth" presentation copy on ebay. I saw that it had an ACE cert, and had not only never heard of that company, but had heard (on this very MB among other places) that some of the presentation copies of that particular book were secretarily signed. Why would this book, of all treasured items, have a lower-tier cert attached to it?

The book vanished from ebay after a couple of days (no doubt due to the cert), so I went to Piedmont Cards' website and my jaw dropped when I saw the sheer number of Mathewson, Ruth, and Gehrig autos for sale with ACE and AMA (?) certs. I've never seen such an inventory (but then again, no one else has, either).

That was more than enough for me to write off the legitimacy of ACE and AMA. Sadly, it makes me want to write off Piedmont Sports as well. To his credit, Frank has taken the stuff off of his website. To his detriment, he listed it in the first place. At best he is a rube who got taken, and at worst he is a party to the growing number of pre-war autograph forgeries that are turning up.

I'd still like to see that Matty book and get some of the other members' opinions of it. Not that I could afford a legit copy right now.

Wayne Walker

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

If Justin didn't raise an eyebrow to being asked to cert all of those cut sigs then he is totally clueless.

He's not clueless at all. Just dishonest.