This sums it up about Jeter and 3000

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

I bet some people are buying this stuff thinking that it's a good investment.

So what if they are? Are they idiots for collecting modern stuff, any more than we're idiots for collecting stuff of deadballers? Who knows what will sell in the future? And just keep in mind, that the guy who sold me his ticket, bought it for $100 two days ago, before they started going crazy on eBay. Now the kind of ticket I bought for $250 this morning is up over $300 tonight. That's a pretty good investment, if only in the short term.

You guys spend so much time talking about whether kids today are going to be tomorrow's collectors. DJ3K is the kind of modern event that grows the spirit of all of our collections. Don't ignore that because the marketing is better today, or because Jeter is a once in a lifetime, Mickey Mantle-esque sports icon.

If you really think the modern ballplayer has to stop and sign every piece of paper that is shoved in front of him on the street, or in a restaurant while he is eating with his family, then you understand little about the perils of modern celebrity.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

If you really think the modern ballplayer has to stop and sign every piece of paper that is shoved in front of him on the street, or in a restaurant while he is eating with his family, then you understand little about the perils of modern celebrity.

Oooh... the perils of modern celebrity. Actually having to give something back to the people who make your absurd lifestyle possible.

Poor, poor, Derek. He can't walk down a street without being asked for an autograph. It's so much easier to sit down at the Stadium, sign some photos and balls for an hour, and collect the check from Steiner.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Oooh... the perils of modern celebrity. Actually having to give something back to the people who make your absurd lifestyle possible.

Poor, poor, Derek. He can't walk down a street without being asked for an autograph. It's so much easier to sit down at the Stadium, sign some photos and balls for an hour, and collect the check from Steiner.

Can you name a single baseball player who gives more back to the community than Derek Jeter? The closest I am aware of is Cal Ripken, but he's retired now.

Signing for Steiner is only a portion of his business model. Signing for fans for free is customary for him. The "absurd lifestyle" is not without it's drawbacks. You understand that, right? You may choose to look down upon celebrities, and assume they have it easier than you, but I accept the fact that they are human beings who get stalked and threatened kind of all the time.

[T206Collector]

Before Steiner, athletes saw all of their signed items turning up for sale in hobby stores and eBay. Dealers and other businesses made huge dollars and the athletes got zilch. You may think their salaries make it so they shouldn't care about that, but that's pretty naive. If Hans Lobert could've monetized his signature before becoming basically bankrupt at the end of his life, don't you think that would have been nice? Are we drawing the line at Jeter because he's a millionaire many times over? What about Ramiro Pena? Is it okay for him to make a little extra money on his signature because his cup of coffee may be over at any minute?

Isn't it ridiculous to think Vincent Van Gogh died penniless, but now his paintings are priceless?

Jeter deserves every cent he can get, and if you want to demonize him for taking a dollar away from the small-time dealer, or turning down the occasional autograph, so be it.

[packs]

nevermind

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by packs

At one time there was probably close to a million Babe Ruth signed items. I don't think he ever thought to ask for a penny and the man grew up with nothing.

Yeah. As I said before, the man did nothing but leak. I guess he just had a different "business model."

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Yeah. As I said before, the man did nothing but leak. I guess he just had a different "business model."

Nobody was making money off of his items at the time and leaving him without anything. Autographs weren't a business back then. I am sorry you do not seem to appreciate that it is today, or the positive impact thatbthe modern business has on your historic crap, which I choose not to go find on my own.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by packs

At one time there was probably close to a million Babe Ruth signed items. I don't think he ever thought to ask for a penny and the man grew up with nothing.

To me, that is a damn shame.

[David Atkatz]

Yeah. A real shame. But ya know what? He died beloved. And rich, too.

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

So what if they are? Are they idiots for collecting modern stuff, any more than we're idiots for collecting stuff of deadballers? Who knows what will sell in the future? And just keep in mind, that the guy who sold me his ticket, bought it for $100 two days ago, before they started going crazy on eBay. Now the kind of ticket I bought for $250 this morning is up over $300 tonight. That's a pretty good investment, if only in the short term.

You guys spend so much time talking about whether kids today are going to be tomorrow's collectors. DJ3K is the kind of modern event that grows the spirit of all of our collections. Don't ignore that because the marketing is better today, or because Jeter is a once in a lifetime, Mickey Mantle-esque sports icon.

If you really think the modern ballplayer has to stop and sign every piece of paper that is shoved in front of him on the street, or in a restaurant while he is eating with his family, then you understand little about the perils of modern celebrity.

Good points sir... I don't have anything against peddling crap memorabilia, it's a nice memento... Something to share with your kids and such, but you don't actually think that something mass produced as a collectible will ever be worth more then the purchase price right? They're making as many as they can possibly sell right now. Do you think more people will be interested in DJ3K as the years go by? My guess is the moments popularity has already peaked.

I don't have a problem with Jeter squeezing every penny he can from his fame. I also don't have a problem with him blowing people off in the street. When he let that kid give him the ball for free is the moment I decided he was a true a-hole. I'm still waiting for him to fix it.

[David Atkatz]

Keep waiting. He's not even aware there's a problem.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Keep waiting. He's not even aware there's a problem.

There is no problem. The kid gave him the ball...he accepted the ball.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

There is no problem. The kid gave him the ball...he accepted the ball.

Hey, Dan. Remember when you were a kid, and you somehow got your friend to give you that toy of his that you wanted? And how happy you were when you brought it home? And then, how your mother made you give it back?

I do.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Hey, Dan. Remember when you were a kid, and you somehow got your friend to give you that toy of his that you wanted? And how happy you were when you brought it home? And then, how your mother made you give it back?

I do.

A child caught Jeter's 3000th?

[David Atkatz]

Baseball brings out the child in all of us. (That's why we collect.)

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

Good points sir... I don't have anything against peddling crap memorabilia, it's a nice memento... Something to share with your kids and such, but you don't actually think that something mass produced as a collectible will ever be worth more then the purchase price right? They're making as many as they can possibly sell right now. Do you think more people will be interested in DJ3K as the years go by? My guess is the moments popularity has already peaked..

We are in total agreement here. The night after McGwire hit number 62, I sold my entire McGwire collection for hundreds of dollars at the local card shop. I totally understand the phenomenon of peak popularity.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

We are in total agreement here. The night after McGwire hit number 62, I sold my entire McGwire collection for hundreds of dollars at the local card shop. I totally understand the phenomenon of peak popularity.

Wow! It's like tulipomania, all over again.