This sums it up about Jeter and 3000

[David Atkatz]

One more thing. Better think a bit before spending big bucks on the 3k game stub. You better believe if demand is great enough the Yankees will reprint them.

And yeah, a cap commemorating the big hit is, indeed, "crap memorabilia."

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

... a cap commemorating the big hit is, indeed, "crap memorabilia."

I bet some people are buying this stuff thinking that it's a good investment.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

I bet some people are buying this stuff thinking that it's a good investment.

So what if they are? Are they idiots for collecting modern stuff, any more than we're idiots for collecting stuff of deadballers? Who knows what will sell in the future? And just keep in mind, that the guy who sold me his ticket, bought it for $100 two days ago, before they started going crazy on eBay. Now the kind of ticket I bought for $250 this morning is up over $300 tonight. That's a pretty good investment, if only in the short term.

You guys spend so much time talking about whether kids today are going to be tomorrow's collectors. DJ3K is the kind of modern event that grows the spirit of all of our collections. Don't ignore that because the marketing is better today, or because Jeter is a once in a lifetime, Mickey Mantle-esque sports icon.

If you really think the modern ballplayer has to stop and sign every piece of paper that is shoved in front of him on the street, or in a restaurant while he is eating with his family, then you understand little about the perils of modern celebrity.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

If you really think the modern ballplayer has to stop and sign every piece of paper that is shoved in front of him on the street, or in a restaurant while he is eating with his family, then you understand little about the perils of modern celebrity.

Oooh... the perils of modern celebrity. Actually having to give something back to the people who make your absurd lifestyle possible.

Poor, poor, Derek. He can't walk down a street without being asked for an autograph. It's so much easier to sit down at the Stadium, sign some photos and balls for an hour, and collect the check from Steiner.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Oooh... the perils of modern celebrity. Actually having to give something back to the people who make your absurd lifestyle possible.

Poor, poor, Derek. He can't walk down a street without being asked for an autograph. It's so much easier to sit down at the Stadium, sign some photos and balls for an hour, and collect the check from Steiner.

Can you name a single baseball player who gives more back to the community than Derek Jeter? The closest I am aware of is Cal Ripken, but he's retired now.

Signing for Steiner is only a portion of his business model. Signing for fans for free is customary for him. The "absurd lifestyle" is not without it's drawbacks. You understand that, right? You may choose to look down upon celebrities, and assume they have it easier than you, but I accept the fact that they are human beings who get stalked and threatened kind of all the time.

[T206Collector]

Before Steiner, athletes saw all of their signed items turning up for sale in hobby stores and eBay. Dealers and other businesses made huge dollars and the athletes got zilch. You may think their salaries make it so they shouldn't care about that, but that's pretty naive. If Hans Lobert could've monetized his signature before becoming basically bankrupt at the end of his life, don't you think that would have been nice? Are we drawing the line at Jeter because he's a millionaire many times over? What about Ramiro Pena? Is it okay for him to make a little extra money on his signature because his cup of coffee may be over at any minute?

Isn't it ridiculous to think Vincent Van Gogh died penniless, but now his paintings are priceless?

Jeter deserves every cent he can get, and if you want to demonize him for taking a dollar away from the small-time dealer, or turning down the occasional autograph, so be it.

[packs]

nevermind

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

So what if they are? Are they idiots for collecting modern stuff, any more than we're idiots for collecting stuff of deadballers? Who knows what will sell in the future? And just keep in mind, that the guy who sold me his ticket, bought it for $100 two days ago, before they started going crazy on eBay. Now the kind of ticket I bought for $250 this morning is up over $300 tonight. That's a pretty good investment, if only in the short term.

You guys spend so much time talking about whether kids today are going to be tomorrow's collectors. DJ3K is the kind of modern event that grows the spirit of all of our collections. Don't ignore that because the marketing is better today, or because Jeter is a once in a lifetime, Mickey Mantle-esque sports icon.

If you really think the modern ballplayer has to stop and sign every piece of paper that is shoved in front of him on the street, or in a restaurant while he is eating with his family, then you understand little about the perils of modern celebrity.

Good points sir... I don't have anything against peddling crap memorabilia, it's a nice memento... Something to share with your kids and such, but you don't actually think that something mass produced as a collectible will ever be worth more then the purchase price right? They're making as many as they can possibly sell right now. Do you think more people will be interested in DJ3K as the years go by? My guess is the moments popularity has already peaked.

I don't have a problem with Jeter squeezing every penny he can from his fame. I also don't have a problem with him blowing people off in the street. When he let that kid give him the ball for free is the moment I decided he was a true a-hole. I'm still waiting for him to fix it.

[David Atkatz]

Keep waiting. He's not even aware there's a problem.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Keep waiting. He's not even aware there's a problem.

There is no problem. The kid gave him the ball...he accepted the ball.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

There is no problem. The kid gave him the ball...he accepted the ball.

Hey, Dan. Remember when you were a kid, and you somehow got your friend to give you that toy of his that you wanted? And how happy you were when you brought it home? And then, how your mother made you give it back?

I do.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

Good points sir... I don't have anything against peddling crap memorabilia, it's a nice memento... Something to share with your kids and such, but you don't actually think that something mass produced as a collectible will ever be worth more then the purchase price right? They're making as many as they can possibly sell right now. Do you think more people will be interested in DJ3K as the years go by? My guess is the moments popularity has already peaked..

We are in total agreement here. The night after McGwire hit number 62, I sold my entire McGwire collection for hundreds of dollars at the local card shop. I totally understand the phenomenon of peak popularity.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

We are in total agreement here. The night after McGwire hit number 62, I sold my entire McGwire collection for hundreds of dollars at the local card shop. I totally understand the phenomenon of peak popularity.

Wow! It's like tulipomania, all over again.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

One more thing. Better think a bit before spending big bucks on the 3k game stub. You better believe if demand is great enough the Yankees will reprint them.

And yeah, a cap commemorating the big hit is, indeed, "crap memorabilia."

What do you collect? And who do you think you are to judge my awesome collection of DJ3K memorabilia?

Hey, everyone, this guy thinks he has the right to call what people collect "crap." Real nice guy, this one.

[David Atkatz]

There isn't a thing Steiner sells that ain't crap. And if, by saying that, I've offended your sense of "collecting tolerance," so be it.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

There isn't a thing Steiner sells that ain't crap. And if, by saying that, I've offended your sense of "collecting tolerance," so be it.

You haven't offended me at all. I've never bought a single Steiner thing in my life, which might explain why I didn't get one of those funny Steiner emails so many of you are complaining about.

I just want everyone at home reading this post to understand that you think it is appropriate to call my decision to purchase a DJ3K hat at Yankee Stadium just moments after he hit that home run "crap."

I'm still waiting to hear what kind of uber-investment, non-crap you collect.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I just want everyone at home reading this post to understand that you think it is appropriate to call my decision to purchase a DJ3K hat at Yankee Stadium just moments after he hit that home run "crap."

I'm still waiting to hear what kind of uber-investment, non-crap you collect.

You completely misunderstand. I didn't call your decision to buy that cap "crap"; it's the cap itself that is garbage. As are all manufactured in the millions and put away by everyone that buys them "collectibles."

I've posted many pictures of items in my collection. If you're really interested, you'll have no trouble finding them.

[David Atkatz]

Jeter deserves every cent he can get? Really? Why?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Jeter deserves every cent he can get? Really? Why?

For me it is simple. If you work for a living, you should be paid based on the demand for your services. If you are Julia Roberts and the movie company will pay you $25m for your next starring role, I do not think she should turn it down because it is too much money.

Supply and demand are really simple concepts. I use the word "deserve" in that context; as opposed to the teachers and firefighters who "deserve" more money for plying their crafts, but don't get it because the demand for their services cannot keep up with the supply.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Hey, everyone, this guy thinks he has the right to call what people collect "crap." Real nice guy, this one.

There isn't a thing Steiner sells that ain't crap. And if, by saying that, I've offended your sense of "collecting tolerance," so be it.