Casey Anthony trial- Not guilty

[Ease]

Must not have been any "reasonable people who can connect the dots" on that jury, doggone juries. All those pictures from the club should have been more than enough to put her to death.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Ease

Must not have been any "reasonable people who can connect the dots" on that jury, doggone juries.

Ok, I’ll play along. Did you hear what Russell Hueckler (an alternate juror) said about Casey Anthony after the trial? He called her a “good mother” during the Good Morning America interview. Good mother? Seriously? She’s out partying 4 days after her daughter disappeared and she’s a good mother? No matter what you believe happened to that little girl, the evidence showed that she was far from a “good mother.” How ridiculous is that statement? My point is, if that is also what the other jurors thought about Casey, no wonder she was acquitted - 12 stupid people. No, calling Casey Anthony a good mother isn't very reasonable.

Originally Posted by Ease

All those pictures from the club should have been more than enough to put her to death.

This is the second time you’ve mentioned the photos. Those were only part of the circumstantial evidence against her. However, you failed to address any of my questions. I’ll ask them again.

Why didn’t Casey ever report that her daughter was missing?

Caylee was last seen alive on June 16th. The photos that you keep reffering to were taken on June 20th – 4 days later. Two weeks after her daughter’s death, she got a tattoo that says “Bella Vita” or “The Beautiful Life.” Two questions. First, whether you believe she killed her daughter or it was an accident, is this the typical grieving mother's reaction? Second, what was so “beautiful” about her life 2 weeks after her daughter died?

When she was questioned by the authorities, she lied purposely trying to mislead them. Why lie if you have nothing to hide? Do you lie when you have nothing to hide?

If her daughter really drowned as she suggested, why put duct tape over her dead daughter’s mouth?

Last, please humor me and explain to me how you believe Caylee died if her mother didn't kill her?

[tiger8mush]

I do "think" she is guilty, but I don't "know" she is. To get the death penalty, you (should) have to KNOW someone is guilty, beyond a doubt. Its possible (even if only slightly) that Caylee drowned and the mom freaked and tried to hide it or whatever the counter argument is. Certainly not the correct thing to do, and her actions following aren't signs of a grieving mother but you can't force a parent to love its child, it has to come naturally.

I am hoping Caylee's death was accidental and not due to neglegence on behalf of the mother nor due to homicide. I hope she didn't suffer and is in a better place. However Caylee died, may she RIP, poor girl. May she be remembered by those that did know her and love her.

p.s. some politician is trying to exploit this by creating "Caylee's law". IMO he is just trying to get re-elected or something. We need more common sense in America not more laws.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

p.s. some politician is trying to exploit this by creating "Caylee's law". IMO he is just trying to get re-elected or something. We need more common sense in America not more laws.

"Caylee's Law" would make it a felony for parents or caregivers to not report the death of a child to authorities - accidental or otherwise - within one hour.

I'm not sure how that's trying to exploit the situation. That's a good thing whether he's trying to get re-elected or not.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

"Caylee's Law" would make it a felony for parents or caregivers to not report the death of a child to authorities - accidental or otherwise - within one hour.

I'm not sure how that's trying to exploit the situation. That's a good thing whether he's trying to get re-elected or not.

What if the child died at night after being put to bed and wasn't discovered till the next day? What if the parent/caregiver said she went in to check on the kid in the middle of night and thought the kid was sleeping even though it was determined the child died several hours before? Its just another law. I understand it has good intentions, but it has to be proven that the parent knew of the death and didn't report it. Just like in this case, could the mother be proved to show (beyond all reasonable doubt) that she knew of the daughters death? I thought she claimed she thought she was missing? I understand that the law has a good intention but its a common sense law. It'll go thru a million people to sign off on and debate on and more tax dollars and chances are that if the death went unreported then there was malicious intent anyway and we don't have to worry about that law.

What if some people who decide to live in the woods (they exist) have a child that dies for whatever sudden reason and they don't have access to a phone within an hour and they have a burial etc and the next day they go to town and report it? BAM! felony! go to jail!

I dunno, i guess i just hate more laws haha. Maybe its a good one and i'm looking at it from the wrong angle. If so, my apologies.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

What if the child died at night after being put to bed and wasn't discovered till the next day? What if the parent/caregiver said she went in to check on the kid in the middle of night and thought the kid was sleeping even though it was determined the child died several hours before?

Maybe I should have been clearer. I left my statement open. I said within 1 hour, but I didn't mean within 1 hour of death, I meant within 1 hour of discovery.

As far as your example above, time of death can be proven by the coroner. So if a child died in their sleep and is found at 9:00 in the morning (which is reasonable), the coroner can prove how long the child has been dead (along with the cause of death). So if the coroner says the child has been dead for 8 hours, we could assume the child died at approx 1:00am. If the coroner says the child has been dead for 36 hours, then there is a problem.

I think you're examples are a little far fetched. The law is intended to prevent cover-ups as in the Caylee case, not to punish the parents/care givers of a child that dies of natural death.

I agree...it should just be common sense to report a child's death within one hour of discovery. But it wasn't in this case.

Edited to add: I guess the whole point behind this is that the prosecution couldn't prove how Caylee died. Had the authorities been notified right away (as the intentions of this law), cause of death wouldn't have been an issue. Whether she was murdered or it was an accident, it was definitley covered up. This law can't prevent cover ups, but it can certainly make them punishable by not reporting the death right away.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

This law can't prevent cover ups, but it can certainly make them punishable by not reporting the death right away.

well put. I hope it does punish those trying to cover up a death. I just hope that it doesn't punish someone who's intent wasn't ill-conceived.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Maybe I should have been clearer. I left my statement open. I said within 1 hour, but I didn't mean within 1 hour of death, I meant within 1 hour of discovery.

As far as your example above, time of death can be proven by the coroner. So if a child died in their sleep and is found at 9:00 in the morning (which is reasonable), the coroner can prove how long the child has been dead (along with the cause of death). So if the coroner says the child has been dead for 8 hours, we could assume the child died at approx 1:00am. If the coroner says the child has been dead for 36 hours, then there is a problem.

I think you're examples are a little far fetched. The law is intended to prevent cover-ups as in the Caylee case, not to punish the parents/care givers of a child that dies of natural death.

I agree...it should just be common sense to report a child's death within one hour of discovery. But it wasn't in this case.

Edited to add: I guess the whole point behind this is that the prosecution couldn't prove how Caylee died. Had the authorities been notified right away (as the intentions of this law), cause of death wouldn't have been an issue. Whether she was murdered or it was an accident, it was definitley covered up. This law can't prevent cover ups, but it can certainly make them punishable by not reporting the death right away.

I can see that the proposed law covers some circumstances that probably should be covered.

But the problem with it is the same as with many new laws. They're proposed as a knee jerk reaction to a bad situation. And passed with little thought to the details.

In an urban area or even most suburban areas yes, an hour is plenty of time after discovery to report a death. But there are situations where it's unrealistic. And there's the problem. Most laws eventually get enforced literally or not at all. Any slack in charging is up to a DA, who may be up for reelection or just has a "tough on crime" stance.

So if someone goes hiking with their teenage kid and something bad happens?
sure, many people have cell phones, but some don't. And there are areas where there's poor coverage. My cell phone won't recieve calls in the stamp shop I go to, in Connecticut. And the appalachian trail is fairly close to that. As a scout I went on many overnight hikes, and if you're 5 miles into the woods with no phone, contacting anyone within an hour just isn't happening.

And the concept of someone living in a very rural area and deciding not to have a phone isn't uncommon.

A reasonable person wouldn't press a charge under that sort of circumstance, but if someone has reason to take it literally or if the law requires a charge be filed it's just adding one injury to another if the person isn't the cause of the death.

Steve B

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

"Caylee's Law" would make it a felony for parents or caregivers to not report the death of a child to authorities - accidental or otherwise - within one hour.

I'm not sure how that's trying to exploit the situation. That's a good thing whether he's trying to get re-elected or not.

It seems like this "Caylee's Law" is just a bunch of crap from people who are too ignorant to understand that without solid proof she cannot be convicted. And too ignorant to see that in some cases "Caylee's Law" cannot be enforced.

It amazes me why people are so angry about the verdict. I hate a little kid dying just as much as anyone, but why would I want that to happen to another person as well?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Brendan

It seems like this "Caylee's Law" is just a bunch of crap from people who are too ignorant to understand that without solid proof she cannot be convicted. And too ignorant to see that in some cases "Caylee's Law" cannot be enforced.

It amazes me why people are so angry about the verdict. I hate a little kid dying just as much as anyone, but why would I want that to happen to another person as well?

What's so ignorant about a law that would require a parent/caregiver to report a missing child within 48 hours, or a dead child within 2 hours? I think you're missing the point of the law. It's not to punish good people, it's to prevent cover ups. Again, whether you believe Caylee's death was a homicide or some tragic accident, it was definitely covered up. Caylee's Law is gaining a lot of momentum and will be passed whether you think it is ignorant or not. I suppose you also think Jessica's Law (another Florida law) is ignorant too?

[Leon]

Brendan, it's only fair, and is in the rules, that if you want to argue you will have to put your full name in your sig line...nothing personal...thanks

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

What's so ignorant about a law that would require a parent/caregiver to report a missing child within 48 hours, or a dead child within 2 hours? I think you're missing the point of the law. It's not to punish good people, it's to prevent cover ups. Again, whether you believe Caylee's death was a homicide or some tragic accident, it was definitely covered up. Caylee's Law is gaining a lot of momentum and will be passed whether you think it is ignorant or not. I suppose you also think Jessica's Law (another Florida law) is ignorant too?

Isn't it 1 hour and 24 hours?

I never said that it was to punish good people.

My whole view on this is that there are already laws preventing cover ups. A stricter law is not needed.

I'd rather just keep my full name off the forum, so I won't be continuing this argument.

[Ease]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ok, I’ll play along. Did you hear what Russell Hueckler (an alternate juror) said about Casey Anthony after the trial? He called her a “good mother” during the Good Morning America interview. Good mother? Seriously? She’s out partying 4 days after her daughter disappeared and she’s a good mother? No matter what you believe happened to that little girl, the evidence showed that she was far from a “good mother.” How ridiculous is that statement? My point is, if that is also what the other jurors thought about Casey, no wonder she was acquitted - 12 stupid people. No, calling Casey Anthony a good mother isn't very reasonable.

Cool. Yeah, if he said that he's an idiot. Thing is, the jury's duty is to weigh the evidence presented, not think independently.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

This is the second time you’ve mentioned the photos. Those were only part of the circumstantial evidence against her. However, you failed to address any of my questions. I’ll ask them again.

Why didn’t Casey ever report that her daughter was missing?

Don't know, but she was convicted on 4 counts of lying to police, etc.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Caylee was last seen alive on June 16th. The photos that you keep reffering to were taken on June 20th – 4 days later. Two weeks after her daughter’s death, she got a tattoo that says “Bella Vita” or “The Beautiful Life.” Two questions. First, whether you believe she killed her daughter or it was an accident, is this the typical grieving mother's reaction? Second, what was so “beautiful” about her life 2 weeks after her daughter died?

Well she wasn't grieving, you can't assume that she is a typical person. Very troubled family.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

When she was questioned by the authorities, she lied purposely trying to mislead them. Why lie if you have nothing to hide? Do you lie when you have nothing to hide?

If her daughter really drowned as she suggested, why put duct tape over her dead daughter’s mouth?

Last, please humor me and explain to me how you believe Caylee died if her mother didn't kill her?

I don't know man, nobody but her knows that. I definitely think she and her father were involved, who did the actual killing, or if it was an accident/coverup is still a mystery. Hard to sentence someone to death or even life in prison with so much mystery.

[benderbroeth]

all i can say is that i was in a month long trial as a juror....seemed simple..she loaned him $5M over a few years for his business she sued to get it back.....our verdict she owed him money for something and he owed her money for something..then we triggered a counter lawsuit...now she owes him more than she loaned him......in a trial there is so much you do not see as the public and with 12 people they must all agree...watch the movie 12 angry men

[teetwoohsix]

I bet those jurors are feeling pretty retarded right now, especially when they saw her come back into court with her hair down, smiling away, as though SHE JUST GOT AWAY WITH MURDER.

I also believe in KARMA, and her day will come. Hopefully sooner than later.

On the same token, I do think the prosecutors blew it......they did not need to charge her as soon as the body was found. HUGE MISTAKE.

[Ease]

Hope nobody missed this...
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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Ease

Hope nobody missed this...
Casey mask

Either a bad link or eBay just removed the listing.

I heard something about this though. I think it went for something like $20K?