Simple Poll: PSA 5 w/ Crease -- Disclose?

[Big Ben]

Definitely disclose. As Leon stated, that takes the oh sh** factor out of the transaction. Personally, I prefer slab cards when purchasing over the internet, but I study the card closely and then look at the grade on the slab to form my opinion on the matter.

[tbob]

Disclose. I don't think a PSA 5 or SGC 60 should EVER have a crease.

[bobbyw8469]

[We've all sold cards that were worse than we thought, Im guilty. We've also sold far cards that were undergraded, also guilty

Same here. The ironic thing though, NONE of the cards I have sold that looked a grade or two better than the number on the slab have been returned. I did have one guy tie up my money for 6 months though, after I sent a Jordan rookie card back to PSA for their "Grade Guarantee". He didn't like a minute spot on the back. PSA determined that the grade was indeed correct, and I had to pay return shipping back to me (more money down the drain). All for a card I made $10 profit on. After everything was said and done, I sold the card for MORE money on Ebay, and the buyer was pleased as punch!! Go figure....

[edhans]

Count me among the sellers who at least try to disclose any signifacant discrepancies with a TPG grade. The product we sell is the card, not some third party's opinion of it. There are a good number of auction houses and dealers who like to hide behind TPG mistakes, and shockingly enough, seem to get a pass on it. No one expects a seller to scrutinize every card of a 100 card lot of PSA3 T206 commons, but a dozen PSA5s? I think that would be productive use of one's time.

[leaflover]

No where in PSA's grading standards does it mention a crease on grades 5 or higher. On PSA 4 the standards state; "a light crease may be visible" It should be, IMO, a "slam dunk" for graders once they see a crease that the card can not grade higher than a PSA 4.5 vg-ex+. No matter how nice the rest of the card is.

Mike

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tbob

Disclose. I don't think a PSA 5 or SGC 60 should EVER have a crease.

The previous poster is correct that PSAs own standards don't allow for any type of crease in a "5," but (to my surprise), SGC does allow for a crease in a 60 (5 equivalent):

80/20 or better centering, minor rounding or fuzzing of corners, roughness or chipping along edge (no layering), one VERY slight surface or "spider" crease may exist on one side of the card, gloss may be lost from surface with some scratching that does not detract from the aesthetics of the card.

In fact, SGC would even allow a 70 as it doesn't eliminate the crease condition:

A 60 EX 5 card with higher grade centering or corners.

As a buyer, I would definitely be upset if I received a 60/5 with a crease. As a seller, I accept returns on ANY item for ANY reason:

[barrysloate]

Is it possible that this was a crease that was once spooned out, and over time came back? It seems a little too severe, but it's a thought.

But when a card is this overgraded, full disclosure is a must.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Is it possible that this was a crease that was once spooned out, and over time came back? It seems a little too severe, but it's a thought.

But when a card is this overgraded, full disclosure is a must.

I don't think the crease came back. In my experience (and I have never done it but have seen some instances) when someone has spooned a card, to try to eliminate a crease, it made a shiny place where it was done. I have one or two cards where it was done and it is distinctive. That isn't to say it always happens, as I don't know, but that is my experience.

[barrysloate]

Hi Leon- spooning will cause a shiny spot, but I have heard stories (maybe they aren't true) of creases coming back some time after they were spooned out.