SGC/PSA grading of undersized cards

[cfc1909]

if the card is not trimmed or altered SGC will give it a numbered grade. If the card is trimmed or altered they will give it the A grade.

As you can see this Demmitt is well short but not altered in any way

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[Leon]

To me, and from the scan above, that Joss card is obviously trimmed. Unless it's an optical illusion (and it could be) it's not even close. You could ride a surfboard on the bottom of it, it's so wavy.

[bunst]

For some reason, my scanner didn't capture all of the card (seems to have missed the bottom edge), so it wasn't a true representation. I've scanned it again with a background and now it shows all of the card. Do you guys still think it has been trimmed? Using a magnifying glass, it just doesn't look like it.
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[Leon]

Originally Posted by bunst

For some reason, my scanner didn't capture all of the card (seems to have missed the bottom edge), so it wasn't a true representation. I've scanned it again with a background and now it shows all of the card. Do you guys still think it has been trimmed? Using a magnifying glass, it just doesn't look like it.
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Yes, to me it still looks trimmed. The top border protrudes in the middle of it and the bottom one does opposite. They are not just diamond cut, as the last sentence could suggest, but wavy to this semi-trained eye.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes, to me it still looks trimmed. The top border protrudes in the middle of it and the bottom one does opposite. They are not just diamond cut, as the last sentence could suggest, but wavy to this semi-trained eye.

Hey Leon - I think the scan of the raw card is bad. It does have the protrusion you mention, but if you look at the actual color border below it, it follows the 'wave' on both the top and the bottom.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Hey Leon - I think the scan of the raw card is bad. It does have the protrusion you mention, but if you look at the actual color border below it, it follows the 'wave' on both the top and the bottom.

The original scan borders and the card in the holder borders look different to me. If I had only seen the one in the holder I would have said it looked good. It doesn't look wavy in the holder while it did raw..

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

The original scan borders and the card in the holder borders look different to me. If I had only seen the one in the holder I would have said it looked good. It doesn't look wavy in the holder while it did raw..

Hold a ruler to both, and you'll see what I mean (I just tried it).

[bobbyw8469]

As you can see this Demmitt is well short but not altered in any way

I am just speaking from my most recent experience. I will post scans when the card returns. Trust me, SGC is not as infallable as everyone here would like to believe....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I am just speaking from my most recent experience. I will post scans when the card returns. Trust me, SGC is not as infallable as everyone here would like to believe....

Please show me one post on this board where anyone says, or even infers, SGC is infallible?

[barrysloate]

Since you are asking, yes, the Joss looks trimmed to me too.

[bobbyw8469]

Please show me one post on this board where anyone says, or even infers, SGC is infallible?

It wasn't on this thread Leon. It is a train of thought that I have taken myself from reading various threads on this board. The most recent one that comes to mind was "Don't worry! We'll convert you to SGC in no time!". I can find others if I have the inclination and time to play scavenger hunt. I don't mean any offense to the die hard SGCers. Trust me, PSA has their fair share of problems. But don't kid yourself into thinking that SGC has none. That is all.

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

if the card is not trimmed or altered SGC will give it a numbered grade. If the card is trimmed or altered they will give it the A grade.

Hi Jim,

This is not what happened with my submissions this year. I sent in a bunch of commons I had from long ago. One of the Goudeys came back as "Evidence of Trimming". The money to grade that one (either $5 or $6 on a special was gone). In the same batch was a '39 Play Ball that had no evidence of trimming but came back "Does not Meet Minimum Size Requirements". They sent me a voucher for the price of that grading, since the card was not altered but could not be graded.

Cheers,
Blair