SGC/PSA grading of undersized cards

[bunst]

For some reason, my scanner didn't capture all of the card (seems to have missed the bottom edge), so it wasn't a true representation. I've scanned it again with a background and now it shows all of the card. Do you guys still think it has been trimmed? Using a magnifying glass, it just doesn't look like it.
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[Leon]

Originally Posted by bunst

For some reason, my scanner didn't capture all of the card (seems to have missed the bottom edge), so it wasn't a true representation. I've scanned it again with a background and now it shows all of the card. Do you guys still think it has been trimmed? Using a magnifying glass, it just doesn't look like it.
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Yes, to me it still looks trimmed. The top border protrudes in the middle of it and the bottom one does opposite. They are not just diamond cut, as the last sentence could suggest, but wavy to this semi-trained eye.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes, to me it still looks trimmed. The top border protrudes in the middle of it and the bottom one does opposite. They are not just diamond cut, as the last sentence could suggest, but wavy to this semi-trained eye.

Hey Leon - I think the scan of the raw card is bad. It does have the protrusion you mention, but if you look at the actual color border below it, it follows the 'wave' on both the top and the bottom.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Hey Leon - I think the scan of the raw card is bad. It does have the protrusion you mention, but if you look at the actual color border below it, it follows the 'wave' on both the top and the bottom.

The original scan borders and the card in the holder borders look different to me. If I had only seen the one in the holder I would have said it looked good. It doesn't look wavy in the holder while it did raw..

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

The original scan borders and the card in the holder borders look different to me. If I had only seen the one in the holder I would have said it looked good. It doesn't look wavy in the holder while it did raw..

Hold a ruler to both, and you'll see what I mean (I just tried it).

[bobbyw8469]

As you can see this Demmitt is well short but not altered in any way

I am just speaking from my most recent experience. I will post scans when the card returns. Trust me, SGC is not as infallable as everyone here would like to believe....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I am just speaking from my most recent experience. I will post scans when the card returns. Trust me, SGC is not as infallable as everyone here would like to believe....

Please show me one post on this board where anyone says, or even infers, SGC is infallible?

[barrysloate]

Since you are asking, yes, the Joss looks trimmed to me too.

[bobbyw8469]

Please show me one post on this board where anyone says, or even infers, SGC is infallible?

It wasn't on this thread Leon. It is a train of thought that I have taken myself from reading various threads on this board. The most recent one that comes to mind was "Don't worry! We'll convert you to SGC in no time!". I can find others if I have the inclination and time to play scavenger hunt. I don't mean any offense to the die hard SGCers. Trust me, PSA has their fair share of problems. But don't kid yourself into thinking that SGC has none. That is all.

[steve B]

I think the Joss has a chance of being ok. A very slightly curved cut can happen, it's unusual but possible. The bottom edge looks ok, no odd transitions from worn to not worn, and the overall quality of the edge looks the same all the way across. The top edge doesn't look as good, a bit more sharp, and there are a couple quirky things to the curve.

It will be interesting to see how it gets graded.

Steve B

[bunst]

Thought I'd follow-up to this thread I started a few months ago as I finally sent the Joss in for grading. Though I was confident that it was not trimmed, the consensus from most all was that it definately was trimmed.. most notably Leon. I'm pleased that SGC found it to be unaltered and gave it a 70. Thanks to Steve B. (aka The Trim Detector) for giving me a ray of hope that the card was good.