OT:Osama Is Dead

[howard38]

Bin Laden didn't deserve a proper burial for the simple fact that he perverted the tenets of islam and thus was not a true muslim. Disposing of him properly, however, gives the rest of the radical nutcakes one less reason to kill a few innocent people. They kill for simple cartoons so who knows how many would have to die to satisfy their anger at an improper burial?

Howard Rosen

[vintagetoppsguy]

As a nation, when did we start respecting the burial customs of our enemies? We've killed tens of thousands of Muslims in the war on terror. Are you telling me that our government ensured that they each received a proper Muslim burial?

This was done for pure political reasons so that we would not ruffle any feathers in the Muslim world. Otherwise, why even announce how he was buried? Is it important?

And to anybody that thinks he deserved a proper Muslim burial, I have a question for you. Had we captured him alive instead, should he have received a proper Muslim trial?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

This was done for pure political reasons so that we would not ruffle any feathers in the Muslim world. Otherwise, why even announce how he was buried? Is it important?

I understand your thinking David but let me ask you this question. It goes hand in hand with Howard's view right above. Had they not done a proper Muslim burial, and it gave further cause for the radical jihadists to kill innocent people, would it still be worth it not to give a proper Muslim burial? No, he absolutely didn't deserve one for what he did, however that is not the question to me. The evil person is already dead. He got exactly what he deserved.

Also, I am in agreement with those that have said that we Americans should try to take the high road on these matters and show the rest of the world we are above the terrorists lunacy. Just my half cent......

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Had they not done a proper Muslim burial, and it gave further cause for the radical jihadists to kill innocent people, would it still be worth it not to give a proper Muslim burial?

Leon,

Obviously the answer is no. If the killing of OBL would bring an end to jihadists attacks, then it would absolutely be worth a proper Muslim burial. However, you and I (and the rest of this board) know that the respect we gave OBL will not do that.

They have never needed a reason to kill innocent people. What was their reason for 9/11? We can't live our lives in fear from the jihadists and keep kissing their ass. People think if we play nice, then they'll play nice. It just deosn't work that way.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Leon,

You asked a reasonable question and I gave you an answer. Now, I have a question for you (or anybody else that wants to answer). If some jihadist, after hearing the news about OBL, was planning a terrorist attack in retaliation, do you honestly think it matters one way or another in their mind whether we gave OBL a proper Muslim burial? Do you think that would change their mind?

[Ejm1]

Has anyone considered that the burial at sea story is just that, a story to cover the fact that the body is in the U.S. possession for further analysis.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Ejm1

Has anyone considered that the burial at sea story is just that, a story to cover the fact that the body is in the U.S. possession for further analysis.

Or that he's been dead for a while now, but nobody knows for sure, because nobody can find either him or a body.

Fake a raid and his death. Announce it to the world, and see if he comes out of the shadows. If he does, then we know he's still out there and we can play it off like the hoax was all part of the plan to find him. If nothing turns up, then call it confirmation of his death, keep it on the hush, and continue to pretend like they really did just kill him. The symbolism would keep America's hopes high.

Not that I really believe this, but anything's possible. I apologize if this theory offends anyone, but I just watched "Flags of our Fathers" the other day. So conspiracies of this sort are kind of fresh in my mind.. I'd prefer just going with what we've been told for now.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Leon,

You asked a reasonable question and I gave you an answer. Now, I have a question for you (or anybody else that wants to answer). If some jihadist, after hearing the news about OBL, was planning a terrorist attack in retaliation, do you honestly think it matters one way or another in their mind whether we gave OBL a proper Muslim burial? Do you think that would change their mind?

Hornets will attack sometimes regardless of what we do. I prefer not to swat the nest. To each their own.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hornets will attack sometimes regardless of what we do. I prefer not to swat the nest. To each their own.

When I see a hornets nest and it looks like they might attack, I don't try to appease them by donning a protective bee suit every time I want to go outside. I destroy the nest and keep destroying them every time more found more. I don't live my life in fear of hornets, but like you said, to each their own.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Leon,

You asked a reasonable question and I gave you an answer. Now, I have a question for you (or anybody else that wants to answer). If some jihadist, after hearing the news about OBL, was planning a terrorist attack in retaliation, do you honestly think it matters one way or another in their mind whether we gave OBL a proper Muslim burial? Do you think that would change their mind?

No, there is nothing we can do to change the mind of a jihadist who has it out for us...but that has nothing to do with whether or not we should give a proper burial..we are above them, we are civilized. Giving a proper burial demonstrates that.

edited to add: "Them" in my post above refers to terrorists, not Muslims.

[wonkaticket]

Can we at least confirm he wont be bidding on the scrap book on eBay?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

No, there is nothing we can do to change the mind of a jihadist who has it out for us...but that has nothing to do with whether or not we should give a proper burial..we are above them, we are civilized. Giving a proper burial demonstrates that.

Re-read post #54

Edited to add: Nevermind, you don't have to go back and re-read it. Let me post it again:

As a nation, when did we start respecting the burial customs of our enemies? We've killed tens of thousands of Muslims in the war on terror. Are you telling me that our government ensured that they each received a proper Muslim burial?

This was done for pure political reasons so that we would not ruffle any feathers in the Muslim world. Otherwise, why even announce how he was buried? Is it important?

And to anybody that thinks he deserved a proper Muslim burial, I have a question for you. Had we captured him alive instead, should he have received a proper Muslim trial?