OT:Osama Is Dead

slidekellyslide · #1 05-02-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Leon,

You asked a reasonable question and I gave you an answer. Now, I have a question for you (or anybody else that wants to answer). If some jihadist, after hearing the news about OBL, was planning a terrorist attack in retaliation, do you honestly think it matters one way or another in their mind whether we gave OBL a proper Muslim burial? Do you think that would change their mind?

No, there is nothing we can do to change the mind of a jihadist who has it out for us...but that has nothing to do with whether or not we should give a proper burial..we are above them, we are civilized. Giving a proper burial demonstrates that.

edited to add: "Them" in my post above refers to terrorists, not Muslims.

wonkaticket · #2 05-02-2011, 05:09 PM

Can we at least confirm he wont be bidding on the scrap book on eBay?

Kawika · #3 05-02-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Can we at least confirm he wont be bidding on the scrap book on eBay?

Re-read post #44.

vintagetoppsguy · #4 05-02-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

No, there is nothing we can do to change the mind of a jihadist who has it out for us...but that has nothing to do with whether or not we should give a proper burial..we are above them, we are civilized. Giving a proper burial demonstrates that.

Re-read post #54

Edited to add: Nevermind, you don't have to go back and re-read it. Let me post it again:

As a nation, when did we start respecting the burial customs of our enemies? We've killed tens of thousands of Muslims in the war on terror. Are you telling me that our government ensured that they each received a proper Muslim burial?

This was done for pure political reasons so that we would not ruffle any feathers in the Muslim world. Otherwise, why even announce how he was buried? Is it important?

And to anybody that thinks he deserved a proper Muslim burial, I have a question for you. Had we captured him alive instead, should he have received a proper Muslim trial?

novakjr · #5 05-02-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Re-read post #54

Edited to add: Nevermind, you don't have to go back and re-read it. Let me post it again:

As a nation, when did we start respecting the burial customs of our enemies? We've killed tens of thousands of Muslims in the war on terror. Are you telling me that our government ensured that they each received a proper Muslim burial?

This was done for pure political reasons so that we would not ruffle any feathers in the Muslim world. Otherwise, why even announce how he was buried? Is it important?

And to anybody that thinks he deserved a proper Muslim burial, I have a question for you. Had we captured him alive instead, should he have received a proper Muslim trial?

No trial. We know what he is. The world knows what he is. He get's what he got. The world is better off. The burial on the other hand is a different story. It wasn't about respect for him, but for the core of his religious beliefs and as a symbol to others that share in those beliefs... It's called humanity. Some justice was served in death and you leave it at that. In most religions, a non-proper burial is viewed as desecration and sacrilege. Here in the US, we are not in the business of supporting the defiling of dead bodies(which in many religions are viewed as a temple), and disrespecting the religious beliefs of others. For ANY reason.

vintagetoppsguy · #6 05-02-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by novakjr

It wasn't about respect for him, but for the core of his religious beliefs and as a symbol to others that share in those beliefs...

David, I certainly understand what you are saying. Schilling's point was (and I agree), why do we have to comply with his religious beliefs when he didn't even adhere to those beliefs? True Muslims know that he perverted the beliefs of Islam for his own purposes.

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Originally Posted by novakjr

Here in the US, we are not in the business of supporting the defiling of dead bodies(which in many religions are viewed as a temple), and disrespecting the religious beliefs of others. For ANY reason.

Nobody said we had to defile his body. The point was he did not deserve a Muslim burial because he did not adhere to the Muslim beliefs. I may be wrong, but I really think that devout Muslims would agree.

novakjr · #7 05-02-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

David, I certainly understand what you are saying. Schilling's point was (and I agree), why do we have to comply with his religious beliefs when he didn't even adhere to those beliefs? True Muslims know that he perverted the beliefs of Islam for his own purposes.

Nobody said we had to defile his body. The point was he did not deserve a Muslim burial because he did not adhere to the Muslim beliefs. I may be wrong, but I really think that devout Muslims would agree.

Denying the body of a Muslim a proper Muslim burial is defiling it.. Whether deserved or not...

vintagetoppsguy · #8 05-02-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by novakjr

Denying the body of a Muslim a proper Muslim burial is defiling it.. Whether deserved or not...

He wasn't a Muslim. The fact that he identified himself as a Muslim doesn't make him a Muslim. He didn't adhere to Mulsim doctrine. Charles Manson said he was Jesus. Did you get down on your knees and worship him? No, his actions showed he is not Jesus just as OBL's actions prove he is not a Muslim. Period. End of story. You couldn't me more wrong on this matter.

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