Beware Carterscards2006

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by Carterscards2006

To wrap things up, we just want to address the communication thing. When buyers out there are in the business of taking advantage of good sellers (like us), they DO NOT deserve the courtesy of our time to communicate back with them. As we have pointed out and another poster has pointed out, Todd knew exactly what he was doing here and clearly did not deserve any return communication from us. We quickly sent the claim to ebay and will let them deal with this. We just hope that this whole circus comes to an end and other buyers out there stay honest with us good sellers and we promise to return the favor.

Let me just say that I have purchased from you before without any issue. I do disagree your theory of communication. I don't understand how not communicating is a good solution for anything. I can't say definitively either way who is right or wrong, I am not sure anyone can, but I don't think it is a good practice to not communicate in certain situations.

[danmckee]

If Todd popped the GAI slab then the seller should not accept a return. Items should be returned as purchased, period. If card is still in the GAI holder and no matter what the auction states "as is" "no returns" and Todd is unhappy, seller should refund fully with shipping both ways. There are no "as is" auctions when buying with paypal.

I just accepted a return on a PSA 9 MINT Dixie Lid that was labeled 1952 but is actually a 1953. The collector, and I say collector cause he didn't care about the # on the flip, wanted the 1953 lid and only looked at the title. This was an easy refund + shipping both ways.

I have known Todd awhile and trust everything he says.

I do not know Carter's Cards but have seen them selling like crazy recently and some real neat stuff.

Dan Mckee

[CMIZ5290]

Rob, totally agree. Lack of communication is definitely not the answer. I own a fairly large company and when there is a problem, the best time to tackle it is immediately. Defuse the problem if you will before the situation festers. I will say for the record that i have never heard anything negative said about todd on this forum, however, i have purchased many high dollar vintage cards from carters without a single issue.

[Jacklitsch]

As far as I'm concerned the Cartercards post is anonymous and as such carries no weight in the discussion.

Now if the poster wants to identify him/herself maybe I'll take a second look.

[Peter_Spaeth]

"Within 2 days after Todd won this card, we were contacted by 2 other very reputable sellers (who WILL remain anonymous) and warned us that Todd may want to return the card down the road if things "don't work out" with either SGC or PSA."

Sure.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jacklitsch

As far as I'm concerned the Cartercards post is anonymous and as such carries no weight in the discussion.

Not anymore....

[Carterscards2006]

We post feedback for paying bidders immediately. Once feedback is left, you know who bought what. Use a little common sense guys. This is the last you will here from us. Thank you!!!
Paul

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Carterscards2006

We post feedback for paying bidders immediately. Once feedback is left, you know who bought what. Use a little common sense guys. This is the last you will here from us. Thank you!!!
Paul

"Within 2 days after Todd won the card, we were contacted by 2 other very reputable sellers (who WILL remain anonymous)........"

Todd: "Seller left positive feedback 4 days after auction ended"



So how did the 2 very reputable sellers know Todd won the card 2 days after he won the card if feedback wasn't left until 4 days after auction ended?

[bobbyw8469]

then why would he not try and submit his $1000 card to turn it into a $4000-$500 card

Speaking for myself, I absolutely HATE the crackout game! I am a firm believer that cards left in other grading companies cases don't get a fair shake through a crossover service. I won't crack out a high dollar either. Maybe the seller feels the same way?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

So how did the 2 very reputable sellers know Todd won the card 2 days after he won the card if feedback wasn't left until 4 days after auction ended?

It's possible but a lot of effort to figure out stuff like that. The bidder names Ebay assigns to keep identities hidden don't change. So if you can connect the actual ID to the hidden ID it's possible.

But like I said, it's a bit of work, and gets harder the less active a bidder is. It's never been worth it to me, If I've been outbid I usually don't care who outbid me. And if I won I'm rarely concerned about who the underbidders were.

Steve Birmingham

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

"Within 2 days after Todd won the card, we were contacted by 2 other very reputable sellers (who WILL remain anonymous)........"

Todd: "Seller left positive feedback 4 days after auction ended"



So how did the 2 very reputable sellers know Todd won the card 2 days after he won the card if feedback wasn't left until 4 days after auction ended?

I don't have a dog in this fight and I'm not going to pretend to know what the truth is in this situation.

But it's very easy to see what other bidders have won. You don't have to guess their id and track them around.

Advanced search - Bidder lookup

All of their wins for the past month or so come up. No need to wait for feedback being left.

I know because I've followed problem bidders, renegers after auction before to see what they are up to.

I just recently had a bidder take three weeks to pay a $190 bill, send me a Paypal e-check which promptly bounced and disappeared. Meanwhile they're still bidding left and right and spending several hundred additional $'s while they're jerking me around. They even got positive feedback from some of their purchases.

I didn't contact the other sellers but it certainly did cross my mind to satisfy my curiosity and see if they are doing the same to others.

I was able to file for unpaid item claims before time ran out, but it really does gall me that Ebay keeps the buyers number of unpaid item claims private, along with bid retractions for the most part.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Robextend

Let me just say that I have purchased from you before without any issue. I do disagree your theory of communication. I don't understand how not communicating is a good solution for anything. I can't say definitively either way who is right or wrong, I am not sure anyone can, but I don't think it is a good practice to not communicate in certain situations.

Rob,

You are exactly right. Although I side with the seller on this issue, he could have at least communicated with the buyer even if he planned on doing nothing to compensate him.

Here's the part I have a problem with though. The only thing the seller is guilty of in this situation is lack of communication. Forget about the shill bidding (didn't happen on this item), forget about the criminal history (irrelevant to the situation) and forget about the other crap that has been mentioned that really doesn't pertain to this situation. The bottom line is that the only thing the seller did was fail to communicate with the buyer. I think we can all agree on that.

That said, do we really need a thread titled "Beware Carterssards2006" to point out the seller's communication skills (or lack of)? Exactly what are we supposed to "beware" of? Are we supposed to beware that Carterscards doesn't communicate? So what? Did we really need a thread for that?

Someone stated that this problem might hurt the seller on future transactions. That’s probably true. But let me also state that it might bite the buyer in the butt too. I have blocked this buyer from ever bidding on my auctions. I know for a fact others have too. I just don’t need these types of headaches where a buyer wants to whine because a card from one TPG wouldn’t cross over to another TPG. That’s what BBLs are for – PIA buyers.