FYI....T206 CYCLE 350 & 460 confirmed lists

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

I really have to see a scan before I believe that the card exists.. I do believe it should but until a scan shows up I think it should be left off.

Why does the other McQuillen not exist with a Cycle 350 back?

Lee

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

Why does the other McQuillen not exist with a Cycle 350 back?

Lee

Lee,

The other McQuillen (Ball In Hand) is a 150-350 Subject and Cycle 350's were printed during the 350 Only group.

[tedzan]

Thanks Jerry T

I've added McQuillan (bat) to the list.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Lee and Marc

I appreciate your skepticism regarding the McQuillan / CYCLE 460 card, since both of you have probably been looking for this card
for some years. But, so has Jerry, who also specializes in collecting the CYCLE 460 subset.

I have been searching for certain AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards for 6 years, now. And, recently I found Frill and Overall (yellow sky),
which I had been convinced were No-Prints.

CYCLE 460 cards are tough to find; nevertheless, I do expect that all 109 possible candidates will eventually be confirmed. So now,
there are only 2 other subjects [ Schaefer (Washington), and Seymour (portrait) ] missing.

McQuillan played with the Phillies throughout the 1910 season. He was traded to Cinci. at the end of 1910. The CYCLE 460 timeline
occurred before this trade. My point here is that there is no valid reason why McQuillan should not exist with a CYCLE 460 back.


TED Z

[wonkaticket]

Ted, Lee has also been working on a Cycle 460 subset and for quite sometime.

For the record I take these lists with a grain of salt as too many cards are added without conformation short of "hey I've seen that" or "I have that card" post or "saw that card years ago from memory" etc.....there really needs to be more than that or the lists get messed up IMO.

Cheers,

John

[carrigansghost]

Nicely said John. I would love to see a scan of the two missing backs of Carrigan that the studies have shown that I am missing. Broadleaf and Coralina Bright. I'll send the first posters a common back for a scan of either of these two backs.

Rawn

[cfc1909]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I have been searching for certain AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards for 6 years, now. And, recently I found Frill and Overall (yellow sky),
which I had been convinced were No-Prints.




TED Z

Hi Ted,

I believe all of these American Beauty lists are complete with the exception of one missing from the 460 series group. John Frill

Frill American Beauty.jpg

American Beauty Frame - 190

American Beauty No Frame - 37

American Beauty 460 - 75
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:07 PM
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Thank you Tim

I've been looking for Frill for many, many years. I was pretty sure that he was a No-Print....since he was reassigned to
Jersey City (Eastern League) on July 13, 1910.


TED Z
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Ted,

I have no problem believing that all the cards will show up at some time. But what is created is a confirmation list. Yes, there is strong evidence that the McQuillan exists but not definitive confirmation, and I believe that it is what everyone wants from these lists.

Bill has always reported on his Superset list that only show up in Pop reports as such and we all know there are a few problems with those. I think a designation of Pop report no confirmation or something of the such would be appropriate.

Lee

[tedzan]

I have removed the McQuillan from the CYCLE 460 confirmed list, pending Legendary's follow-up in tracking down this card.
It was identified in their auction 3 1/2 years ago. It's a long-shot....but if we're lucky, we will get an answer to this matter.


TED Z

[tedzan]

The CYCLE 460 cards depict players in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series, which comprise of a total of 109 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Fall/Winter 1910.






CYCLE 460 backs confirmed......total = 109


350/460 series..................................63 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
L. Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series................................46 confirmed cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeve)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms up)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms up)
Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands)

Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard

Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)



TED Z

[Mikehealer]

Hi Ted email sent about an addition to the 350 list.

[tedzan]

This is the 13th of 15 threads that will provide the most up to date lists of the confirmed cards with the various T206 backs.

The CYCLE 350 cards depict players in the 350 series, which comprises of 214 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Spring/Summer 1910.





To date the following 190 cards have been confirmed.

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Atz
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Barry (Minn)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain

Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carr
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer

Cobb (portrait-red)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Easterly
Egan

Engle
Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferguson
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Fletcher
Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)

Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)

Kroh
Kruger
Laporte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone
Lord
Maddox
Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
Mathewson (dark cap)
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
Mc Elveen
McGann
McGinley

McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullin (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin

O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering
Poland
Purtell
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands/chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm

Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
H. Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielmann

Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young (Minneapolis)
Zimmerman


The CYCLE 460 list will be posted in this forthcoming week.



TED Z

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

I really have to see a scan before I believe that the card exists.. I do believe it should but until a scan shows up I think it should be left off.

Lee

Lee -- I agree with you. No board member has actually seen or confirmed this card. Basing a checklist inclusion simply on a population report and/or a card listed in a large auction grouping does not pass the "ample evidence" test in my mind to definitively confirm the existence of a card. Particularly given the wealth of knowledge / resources / hobby expertise of the many members on this site, it seems more appropriate to me to state "likely to exist, but not definitively confirmed".

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Tim,

Thanks for the response. I agree totally with Marc's statement, until we have total confirmation it should not be added. It sure looks like the card should exist but until physical evidence is made available it should not be on the list.

Lee