FYI....RED CROSS (T215-1) checklist......UPDATED

[ullmandds]

craig...wow...many of those look pack fresh!!!

[tedzan]

The RED CROSS (T215-1) set consists of 96 cards. It is comprised of T206 subjects from the 150/350 series, 350-only series, 350/460 series,
and 460-only series. These cards were most likely issued in 2 series....1st series of 48 (or 36) subjects in 1910....the 2nd series of 48 (or 60)
subjects in early 1912.

The T215 cards were printed in New York City (as most of that era's T-cards), shipped to the Lorillard plant (Factory #10) in Jersey City (NJ),
and inserted in the Red Cross tobacco products. A large find of Red Cross cards occurred some years back in the Louisiana area.

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This list of 96 cards is a work in progress. Some uncertainty exists with respect to the T215-1 cards. However, a 96-card "complete" set of
the T215-1's "cousins", the "PIRATE" Tobacco set, has been confirmed. By cross-referencing the RED CROSS set and the "PIRATE" set (with
several exceptions in team identifications), a close match exists between the fronts of these two White-Bordered, Brown-Captioned sets


Ames (hands above head)
Baker
Ball
Bender (trees)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Byrne (St Louis)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Conroy (bat)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Davis (A's)
Devore
Donlin (bat) (Pittsburg)...............traded Feb 17, 1912
Doolan (bat)
Doolan (fielding)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Doyle (portrait)
Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ford
Fromme
Griffith (bat) (Washington)...........traded in Feb 1912
Groom
Hartsel (Toledo).........................acquired by Toledo in Dec 1911
Herzog (New York, NL)................traded July 22, 1911
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howard
Huggins (portrait) St Louis NL)......traded Feb 1910)
Huggins (hands/mouth)
Hummell
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Kelley
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Leifield (bat)
Lord
Magee (bat)
Marquard (portrait)
Marquard (pitching)
Mathewson (white cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McGinnity
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove)
Harry McIntyre (Chicago NL)
Matty McIntyre (Detroit)
McLean
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Miller
Mowrey (St Louis, NL).................traded Aug 22, 1909
Mullin (bat)
Murray
Oakes
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Paskert
Pelty (vertical)
Purtell
Quinn
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard (glove)
Frank Smith (Cincinnati)...............traded May 11, 1911
Speaker
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street
Sweeney (New York AL)
Tannehill (Chicago AL)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Warhop
Wheat
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Wilson
Wiltse (portrait)
Wiltse (pitching)
Cy Young (glove).......................UNCERTAIN


I reiterate, this checklist is a work in progress; therefore, I would appreciate any updates to it. Especially, I'm looking for more team changes.....
that are different from the original T206 captions.

Also, posting your T215-1 cards here are surely appreciated.


TED Z

[DixieBaseball]

RC

[sreader3]

Does it make any sense that a sole T206 150/350 subject (Matty White Cap) would exist with Red Cross? While I have absolutely no proof, this combination calls to mind the ill-fated Matty Portrait Red Hindu, which was ultimately deemed to have been re-backed.

[E93]

Confirmation of Marquard/pitching
JimB

[nolemmings]

As I posted before, Hartsel is shown with Toledo.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...n/george21.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...n/george22.jpg

Topsy joined Toledo in 1912 as their manager for the first of three seasons, in only the last of which he appeared as a player.

[oldjudge]

Ted--Are you saying that the checklist for the Pirate set is the same as the checklist for the Red Cross set? I wasn't aware that there was a Cobb Bat Off in the Pirate group.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Does it make any sense that a sole T206 150/350 subject (Matty White Cap) would exist with Red Cross? While I have absolutely no proof, this combination calls to mind the ill-fated Matty Portrait Red Hindu, which was ultimately deemed to have been re-backed.

That's funny, when I first became aware of the Matty (white cap) in the T215-1 set, I had the same suspicious thought.
However, this card had been cataloged way before the "re-fronting" (re-backing) of cards like the Matty/red HINDU card
you alluded to. Those fakes were in circulation circa 1999-2000.

Also, for whatever it is worth, there exists an SGC 40 graded RED CROSS (BROWN caption) Matty with a White Cap.


Best Regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Does anyone here have the T215-1 Frank Smither card that is listed in the Standard Catalog ?

I can't find this guy in any BB encyclopedia. Or, is this card simply some sort of spelling variation
of the Frank Smith card ?


Thanks,

TED Z

[FrankWakefield]

There's no listing for Smither in the data base for minor league players at the Baseball Reference site. I've not seen the card. This does bring its existence into some doubt... maybe a typo?