FYI....RED CROSS (T215-1) checklist......UPDATED

[sreader3]

Does it make any sense that a sole T206 150/350 subject (Matty White Cap) would exist with Red Cross? While I have absolutely no proof, this combination calls to mind the ill-fated Matty Portrait Red Hindu, which was ultimately deemed to have been re-backed.

[E93]

Confirmation of Marquard/pitching
JimB

[nolemmings]

As I posted before, Hartsel is shown with Toledo.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...n/george21.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...n/george22.jpg

Topsy joined Toledo in 1912 as their manager for the first of three seasons, in only the last of which he appeared as a player.

[oldjudge]

Ted--Are you saying that the checklist for the Pirate set is the same as the checklist for the Red Cross set? I wasn't aware that there was a Cobb Bat Off in the Pirate group.

[tedzan]

To date, no Cobb has been confirmed in the T215-3 (PIRATE Tobacco) set. I posted a thread on this 8 months ago
titled......
" Searching for a "Pirate" Cobb....show us these extremely rare "T215" cards ?

Link......
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=123396


TED Z

[tedzan]

Thanks for the team info on Topsy Hartsel. I have added his team to the list.

Indeed, Toledo acquired Topsy in December 1911 to be their Manager.

Best Regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Does it make any sense that a sole T206 150/350 subject (Matty White Cap) would exist with Red Cross? While I have absolutely no proof, this combination calls to mind the ill-fated Matty Portrait Red Hindu, which was ultimately deemed to have been re-backed.

That's funny, when I first became aware of the Matty (white cap) in the T215-1 set, I had the same suspicious thought.
However, this card had been cataloged way before the "re-fronting" (re-backing) of cards like the Matty/red HINDU card
you alluded to. Those fakes were in circulation circa 1999-2000.

Also, for whatever it is worth, there exists an SGC 40 graded RED CROSS (BROWN caption) Matty with a White Cap.


Best Regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Does anyone here have the T215-1 Frank Smither card that is listed in the Standard Catalog ?

I can't find this guy in any BB encyclopedia. Or, is this card simply some sort of spelling variation
of the Frank Smith card ?


Thanks,

TED Z

[FrankWakefield]

There's no listing for Smither in the data base for minor league players at the Baseball Reference site. I've not seen the card. This does bring its existence into some doubt... maybe a typo?

[tedzan]

I have never seen this card; and, was curious to see if anyone else has seen it (or has a scan of it).

Besides Cobb, Smither is not in the T215-3 (PIRATE Tobacco) set. Otherwise, the PIRATE set appears
to include nearly all the subjects that are in the T215-1 (RED CROSS) set.

Perhaps, this Smither card will eventually surface.

Regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

I'm still looking for the T215-1 Frank Smither card. Has anyone seen (or have a scan) of it.

Also, are there anymore T215-1 cards to be posted here ?

Please, no Blue captioned T215's. Save those for another thread on the T215-2 cards.


Thanks,

TED Z

[FrankWakefield]

In Mr. Sugar's 3rd edition of his The Sports Collectors Bible, he lists this:

Smith (2)*

That is listed in the Type One Brown Captions, and in the Type Two Blue Captions.

The * indicates that the cards are identical to the corresponding Type One card with the exception of the color of the caption.


There is no listing for a Smither card under either type.


My thinking now is that there is no such card, and that "Smither" crept in as a typo. No "Smither" card will be found.

Frank "Piano Mover" Smith pitched in Montreal for the 1912 and 1913 seasons. He was a dominant pitcher for the White Sox in 1909, and the 5 preceding years.