T213 Joe Kelley who?

[martyogelvie]

So this is THE Joe Kelley... and his association with the Yankees as a SCOUT got him on a card...

[FrankWakefield]

Yes, Kelley; scout no.

I think the card exists because 'they' were trying to issue cards with Coupon backs. 'They' had the old fronts from the white border cards (T206), so from those images they picked out those for whom they could issue cards. Kelley was a well liked, capable player in his day. So putting out a card of him was an easy choice, even if he was only a scout at the time. After all, he makes it into T206 not because of what he was doing in Toronto, but for what he'd done years before. If you study the type 3 Coupon cards, I don't think you'll see many cards for the new stars of the day. It was the availability of the 'Kelley' front that got him into Coupons.

[martyogelvie]

thanks Frank..
makes sense.

[rhettyeakley]

T213-2's basically were trying to use images they already had in stock (from T206's) and tried to update them to some degree to make them more current (usually only the caption though as they tended not to care if there was a team insignia/name/etc. on the front that may clash with the team identified on the bottom.) In some cases they got mixed up--the classic example is the "Chappelle" card in the set.

Initially they (correctly) made a card using Bill Chappelle's T206 image to depict him for the 1914 Brooklyn Fed's but then they reissued the image of "Bill" but this time with Cleveland--which was a mistake as that was Laverne "Larry" Chappell that played w/ Cleve in 1916. So, their intention may have been to issue a card of the Cleveland Chappelle/Chappell and mistakenly thought they were the same guy--but they weren't.

Interesting tid-bit on Larry Chappell is that he died in S.F. after having played w/ the Salt Lake team of the PCL in 1918 during the Spanish Flu pandemic that plagued the country that year. Here is (I believe) the only card of Chappell ever produced that actually used his own image...


-Rhett

[cdn_collector]

I'm digging this thread up from the second page, but on the topic of Joe Kelley and T213 Coupons, can anyone tell me who Joe Kelley's T213-3 lists him with? I assume it's the same picture as the T206, T213-2, T214 and T215, but am curious if he's listed with Toronto, New York or another club.

Regards,

Richard.

[paul]

I don't know for sure, but I would guess that Kelley is listed with no club in the Type 3s. There are several players like that. Frank Chance comes to mind.

[cdn_collector]

Originally Posted by paul

I don't know for sure, but I would guess that Kelley is listed with no club in the Type 3s. There are several players like that. Frank Chance comes to mind.

Well now it all makes sense, you learn something "knew" everyday

I no longer have my Lipset guide, but had been told that he's listed with Toronto in it. That always baffled me since the type 3 issue is dated to 1919 and by then Kelley was long gone from Toronto. If, what you're saying is correct though, then perhaps he's listed with Toronto in the guide because he's pictured with Toronto, which solves that mystery.

Thanks Paul, that makes a lot of sense.

Regards,

Richard.