FYI....T206 CYCLE 350 & 460 confirmed lists

[tedzan]

Thanks Lee and Mike for the new CYCLE 460 input. Wilhelm has been added to the list.

Still needed are these three remaining cards......

McQuillan (bat)

Schaefer

Seymour (portrait)



TED Z

[JerryTotino]

Hi Ted,

Based on the SGC pop report and based on the following Mastro auction lot description the McQuillan Cycle 460 does exist:

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...px?lotid=76916

The SGC pop report lists 2 Cycles (50 & 60) for McQuillan, but doesn't provide a pose. It does list the cards as 1911 though. The only other McQuillan card in the set is the 150/350 series McQuillan (Ball in Hand) and this card cannot be found with a Cycle back. Thus, the cards in the pop report have to be Cycle 460's.

In addition, the Mastro lot specifically lists the McQuillan (with bat) as an SGC 50 with a Cycle back. This matches exactly with one of the entries the pop report.

PS - If someone on the board owns it I would be happy to buy it for my Cycle 460 subset.

Thanks,

Jerry

[philliesphan]

believe it should exist, and I've seen the other two Phillies from the 350/460 series.

Would appreciate seeing a scan. An auction listing or a Population report do not provide "definitive" proof in my mind, particularly given the chance for mistake/error that we know that both grading companies and auction houses make mistakes.

[JerryTotino]

Marc,

Unfortunately, the auction lot was for a T206 520 card set and thus no scans of this specific card were provided. To me there is too much coincidence that both the pop report and the auction listing indicate an SGC 50 McQuillan Cycle exists. I'm just presenting the facts.


Jerry

[tedzan]

The CYCLE 460 cards depict players in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series, which comprise of a total of 109 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Fall/Winter 1910.






CYCLE 460 backs confirmed......total = 107


350/460 series..................................63 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
L. Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series................................44 confirmed cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeve)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms up)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms up)
Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands)

Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard
Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)

Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)




UPDATED by adding McQuillan (bat)


TED Z

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

I really have to see a scan before I believe that the card exists.. I do believe it should but until a scan shows up I think it should be left off.

Why does the other McQuillen not exist with a Cycle 350 back?

Lee

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

Why does the other McQuillen not exist with a Cycle 350 back?

Lee

Lee,

The other McQuillen (Ball In Hand) is a 150-350 Subject and Cycle 350's were printed during the 350 Only group.

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

I really have to see a scan before I believe that the card exists.. I do believe it should but until a scan shows up I think it should be left off.

Lee

Lee -- I agree with you. No board member has actually seen or confirmed this card. Basing a checklist inclusion simply on a population report and/or a card listed in a large auction grouping does not pass the "ample evidence" test in my mind to definitively confirm the existence of a card. Particularly given the wealth of knowledge / resources / hobby expertise of the many members on this site, it seems more appropriate to me to state "likely to exist, but not definitively confirmed".