Would you still use BGS?

[jimm]

Originally Posted by matthew h

ryan leaf has valuable cards?

[leaf]"knock it off!!!"[/leaf]

[mintacular]

If you believe in BVG, now you don't:


http://cgi.ebay.com/1967-TOPPS-TOM-S...item3362bb31e5

http://cgi.ebay.com/1969-TOPPS-MICKE...item33627cd747

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by mintacular

If you believe in BVG, now you don't:


http://cgi.ebay.com/1967-TOPPS-TOM-S...item3362bb31e5

http://cgi.ebay.com/1969-TOPPS-MICKE...item33627cd747

sorry, but what are you trying to say by posting these scans? Both scans (especially the Mantle) are very poor and there is no way by looking at those scans that you can tell me their grading is way off. Or is it something else im looking for? Honestly im not sure why i will "no longer believe in BGS" by looking at these scans.

[packs]

The Mantle has a pen mark on the back of it. There is a red X through the card number. The Seaver has some pretty weak corners and centering for a 6.

[mintacular]

Yes, the Red Mark "x" on the Mantle back, and look at the faded yellow color on the Seaver...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mintacular

Yes, the Red Mark "x" on the Mantle back, and look at the faded yellow color on the Seaver...

Actually, even though they are an advertiser I feel compelled to say how I feel about their grading. I trust BVG more than any company except SGC (and to me, those 2 are close) to grade cards, by a very large amount. Do they make mistakes? I guess the better question would be "are they human?" Every single card I have had graded by BVG was graded fairly and very conservatively. I will continue to use BVG for specific cards and will use SGC as I always have. Both give great service and are hands down the best in the business....in my opinion. take care

[mintacular]

I should clarify, I think BVG are suspect (pre80s) but BGS for the 80s-modern is a good service and I like their holders/sub-grades. But mid to low grade vintage they seem to have their collective head (or is it heads?) up their arse (or is it arses?). I mean look at that Seaver and the Mantle! There is NO WAY that the grader has ever seen an actual Seaver RC in person 'cause if they had that card just doesn't get a "6". I just don't think their staff has any experience with vintage. I also bought a T-card in a BVG that got a VG 3 and it has two medium creases which also soured me truth be told.