T205 Dolly Gray with stats

[Wite3]

I don't publicize it too much but those that have been around the board for awhile know that I have painstakingly tracked sales of T205s and have tracked particular cards themselves for some time of the tougher t205s...gray w/ stats included. I have scans and/or notes and fairly good data on true sales reports. Heck, I have tracked a certain Joss for eleven different sales (starting in 1998 for $35 and recently sold for $432 and it has been graded three times, twice by PSA and once by GAI)...I have lots of data and I know I promised to put out my semi-annual report but things have been really busy this year. I promise to get it together eventually.

Joshua

[Matt E.]

Thanks for the kind words.
Turner and I usally try to pick up the cards listed in the links below when we see them at a show.... either to hoard or flip.

Really no science here, just recognize the variations, short prints and hard to find players and you are home free. There will always be a market for
the "tough" cards in this very beautiful set. You can find some of these cards, but in a higher grade is next to impossible.

I would like to say Bill Cornell knows his T205's quite well and has been very helpful to us.


SHORT PRINTS
http://imageevent.com/babybingbaseball/shortprints



HARD TO FIND
http://imageevent.com/babybingbaseba...rof6.penguin_s



Here is one that did not make either list but is quite difficult to find in a higher grade.



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[Mikehealer]

Hi Matt
I noticed that Shean(Cubs) was not on either of your lists, is he not that tough or just no scan up.
Thanks
Mike

[Matt E.]

Mike,

It seems as if we see / find more of the Shean Cubs than the Graham Cubs card.
I would say the Graham Cubs is the harder of the two to find.

Just our findings which are not scientifc by any means.

Thanks,

Matt

[Mikehealer]

Thanks Matt.

[familytoad]

I don't think I can add too much to the discussion that hasn't already been posted (too late the hero, but I did start this set in 1997

But if I were to classify which cards are typically listed as tougher cards into categories I would say , in my opinion:

Overated toughness: Shean and Graham (Cubs), Gray w/Stats, Latham or Leifield "initials" variety, Vaughn SP

Underrated toughness : Wilhelm "suffered", Hobby no stats, Moran stray line, Jimmie Collins, Bill Dahlen SP

Tough but acheivable : Joss, Wallace(both "no cap" versions), Hobby correct, no cin, Wilhelm "suffe ed"

Short Prints: Rowan seems to often be low grade and maybe not as common as the other known SP's, I also agee with Wiltse(one ear) for grade toughness

My opinion on Gray (as the OP started with) isn't very scientific either...I wonder how many T205 Dolly Gray cards are graded without any indication of which version it is? At one point I doubt any one cared...I know I didn't when I started collecting T205.

Another opinion of mine is that many of the T205 collectors prefer this set raw...TPG often kills the grades. I have resigned myself that the remaining cards I still need to have graded will get no higher than 30-40 despite very nice eye appeal. I really like the look of these in SGC holders, but I sometimes feel as though the technical grade of these cards doesn't do them justice...So for my third set (I'm about 1.6 sets down, half graded), I will buy low grade and crack them...not good for the pop reports(so what) but better for me to show them off. A couple hundred slabs takes a lot of room, afterall...

[barrysloate]

I believe Wallace no cap w/one line is much tougher than the two line variation.