Genuine or Fake E90-1 Joe Jackson?

[FrankWakefield]

If you shine uv light on it, black light, that card will fluoresce. That's because the paper on which it is printed was made after WW II. Modern papers almost always have brighteners added. Buying a black light would be much cheaper than paying postage and all that would be involved in sending that card to a grading service. And, if you buy the black light then you'll have it for future card acquisitions.

[ethicsprof]

judge frank is quite astute about the uv light.
i bought one 'round 5 or 6 years ago( wish i'd done so earlier) and it has
come in handy many times.

best,
barry

[Matthew H]

rpsitems has been selling fakes for a long time. I agree, just get your money back and leave negative feedback.

[canjond]

Scott. Interesting. Any idea where that info came from? I had been of the belief that the N301s came in the soft packs as you described. The N300s, however, had always been told were distributed in the lunchboxes (as an FYI, I have seen lunchboxes, albeit maybe of a different style, with 1890s tax stamps). I, too, had also heard the story of the cards being found in a lunchbox - specifically 5 of them. It also wouldn't be unheard of for Mayos to be packaged in a lunchbox. We know with 100% certainty that Yum Yum were packaged in a similar square tin, two to a tin.

[canjond]

For reference - I believe this si the soft pack you are referring to. The writing is more "gold" than the scan indicates.

http://baseballandtobacco.com/n301.htm

[glchen]

Sorry, another Joe Jackson on ebay. Is this one real or fake?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-E90-1-Ameri...item4155530f51

[Ladder7]

Any prewar, raw card auction that begins with WOW and ends with "No Returns", is always a scam. Don't even bother examining the scan.

[barrysloate]

I agree Steve. When I see the word WOW I move on.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by glchen

Sorry, another Joe Jackson on ebay. Is this one real or fake?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-E90-1-Ameri...item4155530f51

i'm not trying to be mean but the examples you bring up aren't even close to looking like originals...it's like you're not taking anything useful away from these discussions. if that's the case you shouldn't be searching for raw e90-1 jacksons...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

i'm not trying to be mean but the examples you bring up aren't even close to looking like originals...it's like you're not taking anything useful away from these discussions. if that's the case you shouldn't be searching for raw e90-1 jacksons...

Very good point, Quan. It's ok not to know about something but if you don't want to get scammed, and don't know, you should stick to a card that is slabbed by a reputable company. They will stand behind the card at least being authentic (about 99.99% of the times). I have seen mistakes with authenticity but they are very uncommon. regards

[glchen]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

i'm not trying to be mean but the examples you bring up aren't even close to looking like originals...it's like you're not taking anything useful away from these discussions. if that's the case you shouldn't be searching for raw e90-1 jacksons...

I guess I was just hoping to learn something on how you determine the card is fake by just looking at the scans and not the rest of the ebay ad. For example, Anthony had a very good post earlier in this thread where he pointed out if the #20 were on the back, that showed that the card was originally a reprint. Therefore, I was able to determine that this Ty Cobb was a reprint:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1909-11-...pt=US_Baseball

If you don't want to help, I'd appreciate if you refrain from these snide remarks.

[esd10]

with the paper thing when i first got into collecting prewar cards i had gotten taken on a d304 evers that was a reprint and i used a uv light and it was good but when i looked at it under a magnifying glass it was not real.

[esd10]

man he spent alot on reprints and some idiot is going to get ripped off.

[ctownboy]

glchen,

If a person is selling a potential big dollar card raw, BE SUSPICIOUS.

If the card looks right, see WHAT ELSE the person is selling. In this case, goroos is ALSO selling a BUNCH of big name cards, raw, all with starting prices of .99 cents. Is there SOMETHING wrong with this picture?

After checking out what else they are selling, LOOK AT THE PERSON'S FEEDBACK!!!

In this case, the seller has bought a BUNCH of STATED reprint cards. Low and behold, guess what? Those cards have MAGICALLY become originals that were found amongst his Father's things.

I have already reported this FRAUD to eBay but they have yet to do anything about it.

David

[brob28]

Hi Gents,

Just a thought on this subject and some of the comments regarding Gary and his questions. I am a realtively new collector in pre war cards and agree with Leon 100% (If unsure buy a slabbed card). However, I value the knowledge gained by those who know more than I, and truley appreciate the detailed reasons as to why the cards are fakes. Hell, I'd pay to sit in a class and learn this stuff. The only place I can get this knowledge is a forum like Net54 and by sharing this information you make it harder for the dogs selling these cards to get away with it.

[glchen]

Hi David,

Yea, I'm definitely suspicious of when a seller sells big $ cards raw, which is why I posted that on the board. I'm very familiar in doing all of the things that you mentioned although I completely forgot about looking at what the seller has purchased. Definitely a great idea. In general, however, I'd like to be able to look at a scan, regardless of the seller, and be able to determine whether it's a reprint or not. In a recent Legendary auction, even they made the mistake of posting a fake Jackson for sale until caught by members of this board:

Fake Jackson

I don't remember if the card was slabbed or not, but things slip by even sellers who are supposed to be credible, so I'd like to be able to distinguish these things like some of our most knowledgeable board members are able. Thanks again! Gary