anyone want to go in on the 99% complete t206 set

[barrysloate]

Jim- it's all about the stuff.

[chris122868]

Nothing personal but cards are cards as long as there not stolen,if i need them i'm buying them. JIM V. WHY DO YOU ALWAYS WANT TO DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by chris122868

Nothing personal but cards are cards as long as there not stolen,if i need them i'm buying them.

And THAT is part of the problem, I guess. Cards trumping moral standards.

Originally Posted by chris122868

JIM V. WHY DO YOU ALWAYS WANT TO DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE.

I really don't. I'm actually a pretty agreeable person (Dorskind Group, notwithstanding.) I just have high standards about where my money goes to and who it supports.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

And THAT is part of the problem, I guess. Cards trumping moral standards.

We (collectively) would draw the line someplace wouldn't we? I mean if Al Qaeda had a benefit auction we wouldn't bid, right?

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

We (collectively) would draw the line someplace wouldn't we? I mean if Al Qaeda had a benefit auction we wouldn't bid, right?

What did you hear they had coming up?

[barrysloate]

Who me?

[Browncow75]

If we didnt deal with people who have screwed up "in the past" there wouldbt be a whole lot of people with the collections they have now. You know who you are!!

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

We (collectively) would draw the line someplace wouldn't we? I mean if Al Qaeda had a benefit auction we wouldn't bid, right?

What if Al Qaeda had pop 1's?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

We (collectively) would draw the line someplace wouldn't we? I mean if Al Qaeda had a benefit auction we wouldn't bid, right?

Would they keep the bidding records? Forget it, what am I thinking.

My guess is the line would be drawn well before this hopefully.

[calvindog]

I suspect even al Qaeda would keep bidding records.

[Browncow75]

Who'd want a Bin Laden rookie card anyway?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I suspect even al Qaeda would keep bidding records.

They'll be posted to Wikileaks any day now.

[forazzurri2axz]

didn't he serve his time in prison?? Can't someone start with a clean slate and be given the benefit of the doubt under those circumstances til the prove otherwise?? and my GUESS is that you voted for people in the past who did far worse than he....

[HRBAKER]

Jim I understand your POV but your dealing with cardboard crack here, the stuff wins out most of the time.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Jim I understand your POV but your dealing with cardboard crack here, the stuff wins out most of the time.

I know. I know. If this was heroin our veins would have collapsed by now.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by forazzurri2axz

didn't he serve his time in prison?? Can't someone start with a clean slate and be given the benefit of the doubt under those circumstances til the prove otherwise?? and my GUESS is that you voted for people in the past who did far worse than he....

Hey Bill, I do understand. I believe he did serve his time for the financial fraud (I don't believe there was anything "criminal" in the re-holdering, just "shady," but to me, that alone may be the example proving "otherwise.") I am in favor of letting people have a second chance, but, depending on the circumstances, I may not let them do it with my money.



Anyway, sorry for interupting your post. I hope you get a partner and your cards. In many ways, I understand the buyers buying from these houses. It's the consignors that are harder to fathom.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Jim- it's all about the stuff.

I know that Barry, but it frustrates the hell out of me. How do the guys with felony convictions get "the stuff?" Consignors have to consent to do business with them while disregarding their past.

We have one high profile hobbyist trying to form an association to clean up the hobby and the two highest profile auctioneers he gets to go in with him???

This is where we go to clean it up? Heaven help us!

[barrysloate]

I don't know Jim. It's a mystery to me too.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

I know that Barry, but it frustrates the hell out of me. How do the guys with felony convictions get "the stuff?" Consignors have to consent to do business with them while disregarding their past.

We have one high profile hobbyist trying to form an association to clean up the hobby and the two highest profile auctioneers he gets to go in with him??? One has a conviction for financial fraud and has been caught getting cards reholdered, with different cert numbers, so he can re-sell them after he has, supposedly, auctioned them off. The other has a criminal conviction on his record for ...
This is where we go to clean it up? Heaven help us!

Jim, where do you draw the line? So guys with fraud convictions and sex offenses are no good. What about those with drug or extortion convictions? If we removed all those with shady pasts from the hobby I suspect we wouldn't have many people selling us cards.

And I'm more concerned about those committing fraud now than those who have sold drugs or served time for fraud in the past. I know this is heresy on this board, but I'd sooner trust JP Cohen than I would anyone associated with some of the other auction houses any day of the week. JP was in jail and knows that it sucks. He's less likely (in my opinion) to take a chance on going back there than some of the other demented guys selling cards out there today who think that they'll never get caught.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

JP was in jail and knows that it sucks. He's less likely (in my opinion) to take a chance on going back there than some of the other demented guys selling cards out there today who think that they'll never get caught.

Point taken. I don't know him personally. He may well be a reformed man. I will probably choose not to do business with him, but will not try to push my feelings on others.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Point taken. I don't know him personally. He may well be a reformed man. I will probably choose not to do business with him, but will not try to push my feelings on others.

Well, I doubt JP is a hardened criminal, but the rates of recidivism in this country hurts Jeff's point IMO. Lots of people go to jail and never learn anything.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Well, I doubt JP is a hardened criminal, but the rates of recidivism in this country hurts Jeff's point IMO. Lots of people go to jail and never learn anything.

True but you have to understand that the country's jails are filled with those convicted of drug offenses. Take them out of the mix and the numbers change dramatically.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by calvindog

True but you have to understand that the country's jails are filled with those convicted of drug offenses. Take them out of the mix and the numbers change dramatically.

Just like drug offenders there are those who just can't help themselves when it comes to other types of crimes. I don't want to make any assumptions about JP Cohen though because I don't know the guy...you're probably right that he knows jail sucks and would not do anything that could send him back there.

[slidekellyslide]

What?

[calvindog]

Dan, it's Barry -- but he's cleaned his act up now so have no fear.