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[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

I know that Barry, but it frustrates the hell out of me. How do the guys with felony convictions get "the stuff?" Consignors have to consent to do business with them while disregarding their past.

We have one high profile hobbyist trying to form an association to clean up the hobby and the two highest profile auctioneers he gets to go in with him??? One has a conviction for financial fraud and has been caught getting cards reholdered, with different cert numbers, so he can re-sell them after he has, supposedly, auctioned them off. The other has a criminal conviction on his record for ...
This is where we go to clean it up? Heaven help us!

Jim, where do you draw the line? So guys with fraud convictions and sex offenses are no good. What about those with drug or extortion convictions? If we removed all those with shady pasts from the hobby I suspect we wouldn't have many people selling us cards.

And I'm more concerned about those committing fraud now than those who have sold drugs or served time for fraud in the past. I know this is heresy on this board, but I'd sooner trust JP Cohen than I would anyone associated with some of the other auction houses any day of the week. JP was in jail and knows that it sucks. He's less likely (in my opinion) to take a chance on going back there than some of the other demented guys selling cards out there today who think that they'll never get caught.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

JP was in jail and knows that it sucks. He's less likely (in my opinion) to take a chance on going back there than some of the other demented guys selling cards out there today who think that they'll never get caught.

Point taken. I don't know him personally. He may well be a reformed man. I will probably choose not to do business with him, but will not try to push my feelings on others.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Point taken. I don't know him personally. He may well be a reformed man. I will probably choose not to do business with him, but will not try to push my feelings on others.

Well, I doubt JP is a hardened criminal, but the rates of recidivism in this country hurts Jeff's point IMO. Lots of people go to jail and never learn anything.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Well, I doubt JP is a hardened criminal, but the rates of recidivism in this country hurts Jeff's point IMO. Lots of people go to jail and never learn anything.

True but you have to understand that the country's jails are filled with those convicted of drug offenses. Take them out of the mix and the numbers change dramatically.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by calvindog

True but you have to understand that the country's jails are filled with those convicted of drug offenses. Take them out of the mix and the numbers change dramatically.

Just like drug offenders there are those who just can't help themselves when it comes to other types of crimes. I don't want to make any assumptions about JP Cohen though because I don't know the guy...you're probably right that he knows jail sucks and would not do anything that could send him back there.

[calvindog]

I'm only speaking from personal experience so this is hardly a relevant population to draw any real conclusions from, but in my practice the most common recidivists are narcotics offenders.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'm only speaking from personal experience so this is hardly a relevant population to draw any real conclusions from, but in my practice the most common recidivists are narcotics offenders.

Heh, Jeff, I gave up this argument when I realized I was arguing the criminal mind with a Defense Attorney.