T206 Red Kleinow (Boston) DRUM defies it's 460-only series status ?

[Abravefan11]

Scot - I'm not saying I disagree with you but I will be very interested to see which team designation is on the Kleinow AB 350 when it surfaces.

[sreader3]

Tim,

I personally don't think Kleinow (Boston) is any more likely to surface with AB350 than with BL350, Cyc350, P350, SC350, Sov350, etc. But who knows--the Monster is full of surprises.

Scot

[Abravefan11]

I don't think Kleinow Boston will be found with any of those other backs as well with the exception of a very slim chance the AB 350 could be Boston. If I had to bet I would say it will be New York but like you said the Monster holds many surprises.

[tedzan]

Time for some review.....

Kleinow (New York) and Smith (Chicago) were originally planned as 350/460 cards (as revealed by their Sovereign apple green backs).
Therefore, the following are true....

(1) Unlike the 190 cards in the 350 series, these two do not exist with AB 350 (frame) backs.

(2) Due to their intervening trades to Boston, Kleinow (May 26, 1910) and Smith (Aug 9, 1910), they will not be found with AB 350 (nf)
backs.

Now,
(3) Smith (Chi & Boston) exists with an AB 460 back and a UZIT back since they were printed in the Spring of 1911.

(4) Kleinow (Boston), having been printed during the BL 460 and Red HINDU press runs (circa..Winter 1910), will never be found with
an American Beauty back.

(5) We know for a fact that Kleinow (Boston) and Smith (Chi & Boston) are actually 350/460 cards, since (like all the 350/460 series
cards) they do not exist with Sweet Caporal 460 Factory 30 backs.



TED Z

[teetwoohsix]

SC 350/460 Factory 42

[Abravefan11]

Ted -

I follow you on the Kleinow 460 no prints information but I am a bit lost on the 350 series no prints.

Is there something in your explanation other than when Kleinow was traded to account for his American Beauty 350 NF no print?

[tedzan]

I'm away for the w/e and do not have my data on the Kleinow cards. I will get back to you when I return.

All I can say for now, is that after 30 years of collecting T206's and having completed 5 sets (no Plank's
or Wagner's), I have never seen any 350 series backs on the Boston version.

The reported DRUM took me by surprise. The fellow who reported this card had it back in the early 1980's.

Regards,
TED Z

[justmike]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I'm away for the w/e and do not have my data on the Kleinow cards. I will get back to you when I return.

All I can say for now, is that after 30 years of collecting T206's and having completed 5 sets (no Plank's
or Wagner's), I have never seen any 350 series backs on the Boston version.

The reported DRUM took me by surprise. The fellow who reported this card had it back in the early 1980's.

Regards,
TED Z

Ted could you please pm me asap about something rather important.I tried to pm you but your inbox is full.