What would you do in this instance please

[T206Collector]

...that USPS is still suspect, and...

...the buyer will tell you that he just added it to his PSA registry based on the scan of the card that you provided him.

[forazzurri2axz]

first of all, thanks so far for the responses---yes it was an ebay transaction . The last point is an excellent one in that he COULD say that he added the card to his registry based on the scan on ebay BUT it wasn't added until AFTER I refunded his money, believing that the card was truly lost in transit. Finally, in response to the above suggestion about delivery confirmation, I was told that USPS can "track" just the same if it is insured by the number/bar code on the insurance slip---I will double check this tomorrow at my PO ; I assume that's how the Claims Dept verified that the item was delivered to his address since I provided tham with the insurance receipt....

thanks again


by the way, do I call MY police dept or HIS? ..as per the above suggestion

[baseballart]

Originally Posted by smtjoy

I would tell him he needs to pay for the card he has (the one entered into his PSA registry account) or you will turn him into the local police.

I cannot comment on the local laws involved, but in many jurisdictions, it is an offence to try and collect a debt by threatening to call the police if the debt isn't paid.

Max

[Peter_Spaeth]

yes usps can track insured internally
but if you used delivery confirm, tracked it yourself and it showed as delivered when they guy claimed it wasn't, paypal would not have refunded -- unless he was claiming nonconforming goods in which case he would have had to return

[Leon]

Originally Posted by baseballart

I cannot comment on the local laws involved, but in many jurisdictions, it is an offence to try and collect a debt by threatening to call the police if the debt isn't paid.

Max

I am sure you are correct but that sounds crazy, Max.

[Peter_Spaeth]

There used to be a provision in the Model Code of Professional Responsibility for lawyers to that effect, but I believe it was withdrawn years ago.

[chris122868]

First of all i would give him one chance to make it right,and you did. Second i would file with USPS and you did. Third i would contact ebay. Fourth i would contact the police in your area/town AND FILE CHARGES. Fifth i would call his/her area/town and file charges there and see where that gets you. Then i would file with small claims court. Did he have good feed back and it would be nice if you would tell who he is and us net 54'ers can stick together and question/bother him about this situation. There is NOTHING worst than a THIEF/CROOK. It's nice to deal with GREAT people on this net 54 as when i sell something i KNOW i can ship it before i even get PAID. THANKS,CHRIS

[dstudeba]

I only use signature confirmation after I had 2 deals in one week go bad where the card never came but the seller showed me USPS delivery confirmation that I received it. I don't trust delivery confirmation at all.

[E93]

I would give him 48 hours to Paypal the money or file a police report and file a suit in small claims court. He could be on the hook for mail fraud, which is pretty serious. The lawyers here will know better than I.
JimB

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by dstudeba

I only use signature confirmation after I had 2 deals in one week go bad where the card never came but the seller showed me USPS delivery confirmation that I received it. I don't trust delivery confirmation at all.

You've got that right. All delivery confirmation says is that it was delivered "somewhere". Not necessarily to the address that it was intended for.

r/
Frank

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by T's please

You've got that right. All delivery confirmation says is that it was delivered "somewhere". Not necessarily to the address that it was intended for.

r/
Frank

Doesn't matter if it protects you with ebay and paypal and I think it does.

[chris122868]

Over $180?

This kind of stuff happened a lot less when sellers did not HAVE to accept paypal as a form of payment. Ah...the good ol' days of checks and money orders.

eBay strongly urges sellers to use some form of online delivery verification for this very reason. Live and learn. ( SARCASIM)
Since this is only over $180.00 maybe you wouldn't mind paying him since it's not a big deal. CHRIS

[glchen]

These days you almost need to have signature confirmation these days from both sides , buyer and seller. I reently purchased a 1935 Goudey Ruth from ebay. USPS delivery confirmation said that the package was delivered to me. No package in my mailbox. The very next business day (a Monday), I just happened to bump into my postman as he was delivering the mail. I told him that I was missing a package, and asked if I could take a quick peak into the mail station to see if it was there. (It's a community mailbox that has something like 14 boxes there for the entire block.) And there was my package, in the mailbox right above the mine. So basically, the postman (and it wasn't my regular one) had put my package in the wrong mailbox. He told me that next time this happens, I should just call the local post office and tell them to track down my package. I'm kind of dubious about that.

I was particularly concerned because my address starts with 2202, and in the same mail station as my mailbox, another person also at 2202, but a different street, so I get the other person's mail all of time. And the thing here was that the other person's house was for sale, so for all I knew the person didn't even live there anymore, and wouldn't be checking their mail for a long time. And since USPS showed the package as delivered, I wouldn't have any recourse. So going forward, I think Signature Confirmation is the way to go on any expensive items.

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Doesn't matter if it protects you with ebay and paypal and I think it does.

Think again Peter. I mentioned this a couple months ago of a delivery that was intended for me. The seller had delivery confirmation and it showed that it was delivered. Problem was is that I had another package (delivery confirmation as well) that was delivered to me 4 minutes before the other package was delivered. I showed PayPal a copy of the delivery that I did in fact receive and filed a claim on the package that I didn't. Not sure if it was addressed correctly or if the USPS made a mistake. Either way I was given my refund although the seller had delivery confirmation.

r/
Frank

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by dstudeba

I only use signature confirmation after I had 2 deals in one week go bad where the card never came but the seller showed me USPS delivery confirmation that I received it. I don't trust delivery confirmation at all.

Delivery confirmation doesn't mean squat. How does my item get scanned in at noon on Friday as delivered and then get delivered on Saturday? I will request signature confirmation on all high dollar items I win from here on out.

[iggyman]

Delivery confirmation is pretty much worthless from a buyers perspective. Just because the mail-person-dude scanned the package, does not mean he/she delivered it to the right address. From a sellers perspective its worth its weight in gold, only because it protects the sellers in a dispute with paypal (as long as the buyer does not get a credit card involved; if they do, then nothing can help you.......not even Johnny Cochrane (RIP).

Lovely Day...

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by iggyman

Delivery confirmation is pretty much worthless from a buyers perspective. Just because the mail-person-dude scanned the package, does not mean he/she delivered it to the right address. From a sellers perspective its worth its weight in gold, only because it protects the sellers in a dispute with paypal (as long as the buyer does not get a credit card involved; if they do, then nothing can help you.......not even Johnny Cochrane (RIP).

Lovely Day...

Condolences to the Cochran family.

[autograf]

Delivery Confirmation and Signature Confirmation do nothing if the package isn't delivered...........if there's no scan and no signature and it's not ALSO INSURED, no $$ back to you. Just remember that. Delivery Confirmation is only that...something to confirm delivery. It's great when it works which I'm sure is 99.9999% of the time. If you're that .00001 person, you're screwed if you don't have it insured. Same thing on Sig Confirmation.

[botn]

Originally Posted by chris122868

First of all i would give him one chance to make it right,and you did. Second i would file with USPS and you did. Third i would contact ebay. Fourth i would contact the police in your area/town AND FILE CHARGES. Fifth i would call his/her area/town and file charges there and see where that gets you. Then i would file with small claims court. Did he have good feed back and it would be nice if you would tell who he is and us net 54'ers can stick together and question/bother him about this situation. There is NOTHING worst than a THIEF/CROOK. It's nice to deal with GREAT people on this net 54 as when i sell something i KNOW i can ship it before i even get PAID. THANKS,CHRIS

Over $180?

This kind of stuff happened a lot less when sellers did not HAVE to accept paypal as a form of payment. Ah...the good ol' days of checks and money orders.

eBay strongly urges sellers to use some form of online delivery verification for this very reason. Live and learn.

[D. Bergin]

USPS has been very erratic lately. I don't know if it's cutbacks or what but I've had more issues in the past 6 months then I've had in the previous 10 years combined.

Matter of fact, I just had a Priority Mail envelope with Delivery Confirmation delivered to me today that actually belongs to a house down the street. I imagine their system says it was delivered to the proper household. I'll walk it down later on when I get the chance.

I anticipate another huge hike in their Insurance costs shortly, to cover for their recent losses, caused by their own shortcomings.

That said, being in this guys registry already is a little fishy I guess.

It IS amazing how many people in the past have claimed they didn't get a package and then when you spit the DC number back at them, they either disappear or claim their wife or kid had the package all along.