Shoeless Joe Jax DIVERSION, why isn't he in any 1911-1917 major T or E-card sets ?

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Your...."Joe was winning the batting title in 1909 but images for some SLer's were taken from the 1908 season."

Joe was also winning the batting title with his hometown team, Greenville, batting .346 in 1908. In fact, the pix
of Joe, that American Caramel used for their E90 card, is taken from that team.


TED Z

Again I don't think it was a snub by ATC but rather a matter of timing. No player that I'm aware of represents a Carolina Association team in T206.

When ATC added the additional 14 SL players they were 4 Virginia League, 4 Texas League, and 4 Southern League (Alabama, Arkansas, and Louisiana.) No more players were added from the Georgia area.

[Abravefan11]

Ted I think most sets on your list can be explained, the one that glaringly stands out to me is T207. His not being included in this set makes no sense to me. Four of the Cleveland players in the set were not on the team until 1912. Buddy Ryan played his first year of pro ball for Cleveland in 1912 and he was included. Given Joe's 1911 performance I can't figure out why ATC wouldn't include him in this issue.

[tedzan]

Your......" When ATC added the additional 14 SL players they were 4 Virginia League, 4 Texas League, and 4
Southern League (Alabama, Arkansas, and Louisiana.) "


Rockenfeld is the only New Orleans player of the Southern Association in this 350-only group of SL subjects.
Why wasn't Joe Jax selected ? He was the most popular ballplayer in that League in 1910.....and, is credited
with New Orleans winning the pennant.

Furthermore, the final T206 press run (460 series) occurred in the Spring of 1911....tell me why Joe Jax wasn't
depicted in this series with a Cleveland uniform ?

I'll tell you why....for whatever reasons, ATC snubbed him (as they did in all their subsequent sets).



TED Z

[botn]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I'll tell you why....for whatever reasons, ATC snubbed him (as they did in all their subsequent sets).

TED Z

And you characterized the T202 thread as guesswork? LMAO.

[tedzan]

The 3 tobacco sets in the T216 issue, for the better part, borrowed the artwork from the E90-1 set.
Actually, I think it was the same printer. Therefore, Joe Jackson's image was available. All they had
to do was change his uniform.


TED Z

[tedzan]

I've had my suspicions that the T207 cards were not printed by the American Lithographic Company.
That may account for why Matty, Cobb, Young, etc. were not in it. However, a lot of other subjects,
that are not found in the white-bordered cards, are found in the T207 set.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The 3 tobacco sets in the T216 issue, for the better part, borrowed the artwork from the E90-1 set.
Actually, I think it was the same printer. Therefore, Joe Jackson's image was available. All they had
to do was change his uniform.


TED Z

Images used in the T216-1 set were a combination of at least 3 former sets.

E102, E90-1, and E101

Joe was definitely an available image for the T216 sets.

[Bridwell]

T207 has a very odd collection of players. I'm working on a set, and continue to be surprised at how many of the players were not in T206. Besides some stars already mentioned by Ted and Tim, there is no Wagner, Eddie Collins, Crawford, Evers, Grover Alexander, Plank, Baker, M. Brown, Walsh, etc.

T207 is one strange set, and probably deserves its own discussion.

Ron R

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Rockenfeld is the only New Orleans player of the Southern Association in this 350-only group of SL subjects.
Why wasn't Joe Jax selected ? He was the most popular ballplayer in that League in 1910.....and, is credited
with New Orleans winning the pennant.

Rockenfield played for Montgomery in 1909. As you know the 14 additional SL players were added in the 350 series first released in the spring of 1910. This all happened before Joe began play in New Orleans.

Originally Posted by tedzan

Furthermore, the final T206 press run (460 series) occurred in the Spring of 1911....tell me why Joe Jax wasn't
depicted in this series with a Cleveland uniform ?

No new SL players were added after the 14 mentioned above and I don't think at the time the final 460 series was going into production Joe had done enough in Cleveland to warrant ATC including him as a professional.

Originally Posted by tedzan

I'll tell you why....for whatever reasons, ATC snubbed him (as they did in all their subsequent sets).
TED Z

Had Joe not been included in the T210 set I would agree he was snubbed.

[Matt]

Tim- - I agree with you that T207 is the only question, though Matty, Cobb, Young and Lajoie are missing there as well.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by Matt

Tim- - I agree with you that T207 is the only question, though Matty, Cobb, Young and Lajoie are missing there as well.

Matt after more consideration I'm not as surprised given what you said. I think whatever kept so many other HOF players out of the T207 set kept out Joe as well.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Matt after more consideration I'm not as surprised given what you said. I think whatever kept so many other HOF players out of the T207 set kept out Joe as well.

I think those players were just too artful to put into such a drab offering. I bet seeing what the artist did with WaJo, they decideed to have mercy on the other superstars of the day.