Shoeless Joe Jax DIVERSION, why isn't he in any 1911-1917 major T or E-card sets ?

[glchen]

I wonder why Joe wouldn't agree to this. I thought one of the reasons for the Black
Sox were that players were chronically underpaid by the team owners, so they
were looking for extra cash. So if these companies offered some dollars for their
permission, why wouldn't he jump at it? Maybe he was a very private person, but I
have seen him in posed photos from that era.

[FrankWakefield]

1913 T200s, the little ones and big 'uns for the Cleveland team.

[T206DK]

1909-11 E90-1 American Caramel Co.
1911 M101-2 Sporting News Supplements (03.23.11)
1910 T210-8 Old Mill Cigarettes
1911 T5 Pinkerton Cabinet
1911-15 Baseball Stars Notebooks
1912 E270 Colgan's Chips Tin-Tops
H813 Boston Garter
1913 T200 Fatima Team Cards (Cleveland-AL)
1913 T200 Fatima Team Premiums (Cleveland-AL)
1913 WG5 National Game Card Game
1913 WG6 Tom Barker Card Game
1914 B18 Egyptienne Straights Cigarettes Blankets (Purple Pennant)
1914 B18 Egyptienne Straights Cigarettes Blankets (Yellow Pennant)
1914 #103 E145-1 Rueckheim Bros. & Eckstein Cracker Jacks
1914 E224-1 Texas Tommy
1914 PC-UNC E&S Publishing Post Card
1914 WG4 Polo Grounds Card Game
1915 #103 E145-2 Rueckheim Bros. & Eckstein Cracker Jacks
1916 BF2 Ferguson Bakery Felt Pennants
1916 #86 D350 Standard Biscuit
1916 #87 M101-4 Altoona Tribune
1916 #87 M101-4 Burgess-Nash Clothiers

1916 #87 M101-4 Everybody's
1916 #87 M101-4 Gimbels
1916 #87 M101-4 Globe Clothing Store
1916 #87 M101-4 Green-Joyce Clothiers
1916 #87 M101-4 Herpolsheimer Co.
1916 #87 M101-4 Indianapolis Brewing Co.
1916 #87 M101-4 Morehouse Baking Co.
1916 #87 M101-4 Sporting News
1916 #87 M101-4 Ware's
1916 #87 M101-4 Weil Baking Co.
1916 #86 M101-5 Block and Kuhl Co.
1916 #86 M101-5 Famous and Barr Clothiers
1916 #86 M101-5 Gimbels
1916 #86 M101-5 Holmes to Homes
1916 #86 M101-5 Sporting News
1916 #86 M101-5 Successful Farming
1917 #82 H801-8 Boston Store
1917 #82 E135 Collins-McCarthy
1917 #82 E135 Standard Biscuit
1917 #82 D328 Weil Baking Co.
1917 #87 D329 Weil Baking Co.
1917 M-UNC Davis Printing (Team Issue)
1920-21 #15 W514 Strip Card
1940 R335 Gum, Inc. Play Ball
1946-49 W603 Sports Exchange

the above list are cards that feature Joe Jackson.

[tedzan]

Dave

That's a quite formidable list; but, the majority of those sets are regionals. Besides the 2 Cracker Jack issues, Joe Jax
is not featured individually in any major Candy or Tobacco sets during his great years with Cleveland and Chicago (1911
to 1920).

I don't know about you, but this mystery sure sparks my curiosity ?

I have some thoughts regarding why....but, first I'd rather hear Net54er's opinions. I think this is a discussion long over-
due. It's certainly more significant than the guesswork as to whether it's Joe Jax in a T202 centerfold photo (in order to
hype up the $$ value of that card).

Thanks for postig the list.

TED Z

[T206DK]

Ted, I am eager to hear your views. though Jackson was illiterate, he was also known as a shrewd business man by many who came in contact with him. He may have just wanted too much money as compared to other players of his time, and the candy and tobacco companies didn't really need him to sell the particular product if they had dozens of other star players of the day signed on. After he left baseball I think he ran several businesses in Greenville, which tells me that he had some business sense about him even though he had never gone to school.

[tedzan]

Dave

I do not think the "compensation" factor explains why Joe Jax does not have an individual card in the major T and E card
sets (T202 - T216, and E92 - E106).

As, he had already allowed American Caramel and ATC to portray him in their E90 set and T210 set, respectively.
There has to be something more to this mystery.

Come on guys, let's hear your thoughts on why the 2nd best batter in BB in this era was not featured in these major BB
card sets ?


TED Z

[steve B]

A few thoughts.

Maybe the earlier deal with ATC went bad at some point? paid less than expected, not treated well, something like that?

Maybe the candy issues while major didn't sell well in Cleveland so it wasn't a big deal?

could he have had an exclusive deal with a third party who signed him and would try unsuccessfully to resell the rights? Sort of an early agent?

Or an exclusive deal with someone who never actually produced a set or with a regional that had failed aspirations at being bigger?

Steve B