OT- Pete Rose & the HOF

[Robextend]

Barry Bonds - YES
Mark Mcgwire - NO
Rafael Palmeiro - MAYBE
Jose Canseco - NO
Sammy Sosa (the black one, not the new white one) - MAYBE
Roid-Rod - YES


I think Bonds and A-Rod are still 1st ballot HOFers because their accomplishments IMO trump the fact that they are implicated in that scandal. Unless the voters are totally against any player implicated getting in, those 2 guys are sure to be HOFers.

Sosa and Palmeiro are tougher for me to decide. Palmeiro lied under oath, not sure how much that will hurt him. Are the numbers there? Sure, but I think he will have a tough time getting in. It is a shame because I grew up watching him destroy my Yanks, and he was one of the best pure hitters I ever seen. Sosa is another clown, not only was he implicated in the steroid scandal, he also was found with a corked bat! Then he all of the sudden forgets how to speak English in front of congress.

Canseco is a definite no...is he even on the ballot anymore? He just didn't have HOF type numbers when it was all said and done, plus he was seemingly the biggest roider of all time.

McGwire will probably not get in either. Besides being implicated in the steroid scandal, he was kind of a one dimensional player. Also the percentage of votes he has been receiving don't indicate he will get in.

Rob

[perezfan]

Regarding Rose... I say a resounding YES.

Regarding the others...

Bonds - Yes
McGwire - No
Palmeiro - No
Canseco - No
Sosa - Yes
A-Rod - Yes

I really don't care for the steroid-era players, but think some will eventually be considered, given the era they played in. They did cheat, but some would have made the Hall regardless (and I think the passing of time may be kind to the cream of the crop). I picked Bonds, Sosa and A-Rod, as all three will end up with over 600 HRs and I feel they were the best of the bunch that you laid out.

Just a gut feeling, and not based on any fact. I don't personally care for any of them... just guessing what may happen by 2020 or so.

[tiger8mush]

Rose, Bonds, A-roid = YES
all others listed = NO

Bonds was amazing to watch for a couple years. You had two choices ... intentionally walk him or throw something close to the plate and watch it sail over the fence. He was breaking some of Ruth's slugging % and BB records that would seemingly never be touched. Then all of a sudden, he was released (or a FA) and no one would go near him. I know he was a risk and attracted a lot of unwanted publicity, but wouldn't you think a small market team would pay him $10M so they could attract more fans to the stadium and sell some jerseys?

As a side note, I also think manram will be a future HOFer, despite being a known PED user. I don't think big poopi will though. And I'd throw Roger Clemens in there too as being a HOFer. The juiced pitchers faced the juiced hitters.

Rob

[chris6net]

Rose-yes
the others no!

[HRBAKER]

I am bothered as much or more with Rose's continual lying for years and years about the rather obvious. I would never vote him in but I believe that he will eventually get in after his death.

As for the others, they made a conscious decision to cheat, legal or illegal. If it was legal and not against the rules why not admit it and say sure I did it and there is nothing wrong with it.

There is no way to know how much better it made each of them but the point is that we shouldn't have to even wonder. To me it showed a total lack of respect for the game.

[FUBAR]

HRBAKER.. I pose this question to you...

If it, at the time, was still legal, How is that cheating? Unethical , i will give you that, but cheating may be a little harsh!

I believe Jose when he said that steroids were almost encouraged early on because it put people into the stands... more taters meant more fans.

[drc]

As I've looooong said about steroids, if it didn't help performance they wouldn't take steroids, and if they didn't thing there was something wrong with taking steroids they would have no problem admitting to it. When a player takes steroids and bends over backwards to deny taking the steroids, that's all you need to know.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

As for the others, they made a conscious decision to cheat, legal or illegal. If it was legal and not against the rules why not admit it and say sure I did it and there is nothing wrong with it.

I don't understand the argument that because baseball didn't have a rule against steroids that the players were doing nothing wrong. Has everybody forgotten that steroids are illegal - as in against the law? Does MLB need to ban everything that's against the law outside of baseball too? There's no rule against pulling out a gun and shooting the catcher so he can't tag you, so if somebody does that, is it cheating? C'mon.

The roiders* were all committing felonies, MLB rule or not.

Tabe

* - after 1993 or whenever it was that steroids were made illegal

[HRBAKER]

Legal or illegal if they really thought there was nothing wrong with it then they wouldn't hide and deny. Simple enough. And Pete Rose, what a moron, he has only himself to blame, not baseball's leadership or anybody else that is already in the HOF.

[bobafett72]

the day after he dies, he should be elected to the hall of fame.

RE: steroid users like bonds, mcgwire, palmeiro, sosa. never, ever.