OT- Pete Rose & the HOF

[HRBAKER]

I am bothered as much or more with Rose's continual lying for years and years about the rather obvious. I would never vote him in but I believe that he will eventually get in after his death.

As for the others, they made a conscious decision to cheat, legal or illegal. If it was legal and not against the rules why not admit it and say sure I did it and there is nothing wrong with it.

There is no way to know how much better it made each of them but the point is that we shouldn't have to even wonder. To me it showed a total lack of respect for the game.

[FUBAR]

HRBAKER.. I pose this question to you...

If it, at the time, was still legal, How is that cheating? Unethical , i will give you that, but cheating may be a little harsh!

I believe Jose when he said that steroids were almost encouraged early on because it put people into the stands... more taters meant more fans.

[drc]

As I've looooong said about steroids, if it didn't help performance they wouldn't take steroids, and if they didn't thing there was something wrong with taking steroids they would have no problem admitting to it. When a player takes steroids and bends over backwards to deny taking the steroids, that's all you need to know.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by drc

As I've looooong said about steroids, if it didn't help performance they wouldn't take steroids, and if they didn't thing there was something wrong with taking steroids they would have no problem admitting to it. When a player takes steroids and bends over backwards to deny taking the steroids, that's all you need to know.

That's was my whole point. It's cheating or come out and say, "I did it. It's not cheating and I would do it again."

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

As for the others, they made a conscious decision to cheat, legal or illegal. If it was legal and not against the rules why not admit it and say sure I did it and there is nothing wrong with it.

I don't understand the argument that because baseball didn't have a rule against steroids that the players were doing nothing wrong. Has everybody forgotten that steroids are illegal - as in against the law? Does MLB need to ban everything that's against the law outside of baseball too? There's no rule against pulling out a gun and shooting the catcher so he can't tag you, so if somebody does that, is it cheating? C'mon.

The roiders* were all committing felonies, MLB rule or not.

Tabe

* - after 1993 or whenever it was that steroids were made illegal

[HRBAKER]

Legal or illegal if they really thought there was nothing wrong with it then they wouldn't hide and deny. Simple enough. And Pete Rose, what a moron, he has only himself to blame, not baseball's leadership or anybody else that is already in the HOF.

[E93]

No for Pete Rose. He is a prick who has never taken full responsibility for what he did. He likes to blame other people and complain about the injustice he has incurred. Tough shit. He is reaping what he sowed. Maybe if he fell on his sword and offered a sincere apology, I would feel differently. But the guy could not make it to his first invitation back to baseball, to take a bow at a Reds game on the anniversary of his record breaking hit because he had a previous commitment at a casino! You can't make this stuff up. NO! NO! NO!
JimB

[dstraate]

I agree that Rose is a jerk/unrepentant idiot/money grubbing clown. For me, that doesn't matter. He belongs in the Hall more than 3/4 of the guys in it. If reaching the bar is somehow contingent upon character, then they need to do a pretty big review. The Hall is full of cheaters, swindlers, sinners, and jerks. It's not a canonization, it's baseball. Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, and A-Rod are three of the best to ever play.

Barry Bonds - YES
Mark Mcgwire - NO
Rafael Palmeiro - No
Jose Canseco - NO
Sammy Sosa - No
A-Rod - YES

[chaddurbin]

bonds, clemens, arod--all hof'ers (and i hate their guts). they're the best of the steroid era.

the rest no, especially sosa...i don't feel like listening to a hof induction speech in spanish.

rose--most easy no ever.