Rebacked T206's....heck NO....perhaps, they are Re-Fronted DRUM, HINDU cards ?

[T206Collector]

I'm not preaching ignorance. I just think it is ironic that a thread like this can scare collectors as much as a forgery itself.

Hopefully through better education we can eradicate some of these forgeries. The unfortunate truth is that better education will also better educate criminals and scare collectors. And, no matter what we do, there will always be some alterations that will remain undetectable forever.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

And, no matter what we do, there will always be some alterations that will remain undetectable forever.

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it...

[T206DK]

no sense in looking at your collection with rose colored glasses now. I think Kevin and some others have proven to me that alterations can be made good enough to fool the best graders out there. If you've amassed a lot of graded cards and now are wondering what to think, I don't have an answer for you other than welcome to reality. The hobby's holy grail card has been suspect for years ...some people believe it's unaltered , some don't. I heard the story long before the book came out , and made a decision to not rely on 3rd party graders for peace of mind or to somehow increase the value of a raw card I bought. I trust my own judgement and knowledge when it comes to spending $5 or $5,000 on a card. Some dealers back in the 80's and 90's used to think my brother and I were just cute kids walking around shows with a 10X loop looking at cards. It helped me become better at spotting fishy looking cards and at judging the conditions of cards.
I don't think that card altering is going to cease any time soon either. People can make a good living doing it and to be honest some guys may try to pass altered cards off to grading companies for the thrill of it and for the $$. Once they do it one time it is a green light to continue down that road. I know noone wants to think of it, but I'm sure out there somewhere is a guy who "works" on cards every day for several hours a day with the intention of defraudind someone.

[FUBAR]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it...

"If a man talks and a woman isn't around to hear it, is he still wrong???"

If its any consolation, id rather have a nice looking rebuilt then a old beater, in cards, cars, and ladies!

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by FUBAR

If its any consolation, id rather have a nice looking rebuilt then a old beater, in cards, cars, and ladies!

Now that is funny! And just like re-built ladies re-built Planks are not cheap...LOL

[wonkaticket]

Paul here are the 2 re-built Planks floating that are disclosed...

The SGC one is the one that was up for sale when you got your Plank..the one in REA is another...



There was this 150 that sold not long ago...but the bottom edge looked funny.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by FUBAR

If its any consolation, id rather have a nice looking rebuilt then a old beater, in cards, cars, and ladies!

Unless the car in question is a LeBaron, then I'd rather have one from the Jon Voight collection.

[drdduet]

Thanks for the disclosures all. I'm a guy who firmly believes in transparency. I've dealt with the realities that some of my $1000+ purchases were fakes--it sucks, but I prefer that I take the hit than try dump that junk to someone else.

I'm no Goldman Sachs.

[ethicsprof]

Ted,
great cars,cards, and wife!!!
Re: Cars----i recently sold my '63 chevy as i'm giving up on all 'shinies'
Re: Cards---i'm fine with an altered/rebuilt as long as it's disclosed and i
need it for my collection.
Re: Wife----about to celebrate 26 years of happily married!!

Darren,
i was shocked and distressed to see that you were ripped off re: some big dollar items. if it can happen to as astute a collector as you, it must be more
rampant than i would've guessed. sorry to hear it, ole friend.

best,
barry

[tedzan]

Barry

Thanks, I will relay your greetings to Charlotte......and, my best wishes to Margaret and you for your forthcoming
26th Anniversary.


Darren
Regarding your......" Thanks for the disclosures all. I'm a guy who firmly believes in transparency. "

I posted this subject matter expressly for just what you said. The more information we have, the better equipped
we are to avoid being "ripped-off". Ten years ago when these T206 re-fronted fakes were in circulation, we did not
have the knowledge we have today. It's sad, though, to read that one (or two) here have objected to this thread.

I'm very sorry to hear of your experiences. If you don't mind, would you care to share some details of this ?


TED Z

[barrysloate]

Barry- next week is my 25th! One year older, one more year married.

[ethicsprof]

We do have a lot in common, ole friend.
By the way, Saw Palmetto,pygeum, and beta sitosterol combo does wonders with what my Emory bud, Jeff L,
was teasing you about!! Being a year older than you, i should know.
I'm sure that our resident doc(Darren) who knows his alternative medicine would agree.
Good luck buying the expensive 25th anniv. present,Barry S.
Margaret loved her diamond!
all the best,
barry