Red Hindu Challenge!

[dstudeba]

Originally Posted by Chicago206

There are only a couple lots with red hindus in the current 2 major auctions (1 lot features 8 cards). I dont think you are giving enough credit to how rare this variation actually is. To say it can be had in PSA 1 with any frequency at $500, and then to tell me you know this because you have collected baseball cards for 25+ years only shows me one thing. That you have not been tracking the recent sales and very scarce availability of this particular card. I'd like to see a couple of real world auction/sales data thats recent that support your claim.

A problem I see is that everyone is using non precise language in this topic. To someone who has been around the hobby for a long time Red Hindus do not seem rare. Hell you said there are currently a couple of lots available. If your definition of rare is "I can't buy one in the specified grade after looking for a week" that will be different than mine which is more on the order of "I really hope one comes up for sale this year since none came up for sale in the last two years."

This isn't just for the OP, but back to the never ending discussion of what is rare. An N167 is rare, a Red Hindu is not.

I also think wonka had some good points.

[Chicago206]

"Rare" is a relative term by its very nature. Compared to a Piedmont or Sweet Cap, the red Hindu is exceedingly rare. Compared to an Uzit, or a Drum, the red Hindu is simply an "also ran". Since we have no definitive parameters for the term "rare" as applied to card collecting, its going to always be a confusing description. One person's rare is another's scarce, is another's common. To me, any red Hindu is a rare entity when compared to all of the T206 cards still in existence. If there are still 1,000,000 total T206 cards surviving in all grades/backs/and players, certainly the red Hindu version makes up far less than 1% of the total population, and quite possibly even far less than 1/2 of 1% (fewer than 5,000 total cards). That pretty much qualifies as "rare" when taken in context.

[packs]

You keep claiming that your ad was sincere and wonder why people were annoyed with it. If your ad was sincere, why not just say you were looking to pick up a Red Hindu at X price? Why did you make the decision to try to turn it into a "look how dumb these guys are!" post? Call a spade a spade. You picked a fight over card prices after you once again turned card collecting into this is how much I paid and this is how much money I have laying around for more cards. I don't think anyone is interested in either. And every time someone posts an example of the cards falling in the range speculated on, your response is "someone got a good deal on that card" which is exactly our point.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by packs

You keep claiming that your ad was sincere and wonder why people were annoyed with it. If your ad was sincere, why not just say you were looking to pick up a Red Hindu at X price? Why did you make the decision to try to turn it into a "look how dumb these guys are!" post? Call a spade a spade. You picked a fight over card prices after you once again turned card collecting into this is how much I paid and this is how much money I have laying around for more cards. I don't think anyone is interested in either. And every time someone posts an example of the cards falling in the range speculated on, your response is "someone got a good deal on that card" which is exactly our point.

No matter where you go on the internet there will be posters like Chicago. They scream for attention. We've seen it in various forms here on Net54. They all have their different personalities, but starting a confrontational B/S/T ad?? That's Bruce's territory. I don't even know what to say about posting a video of a 3 year old reeling off tobacco company names.

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

No matter where you go on the internet there will be posters like Chicago. They scream for attention. We've seen it in various forms here on Net54. They all have their different personalities, but starting a confrontational B/S/T ad?? That's Bruce's territory. I don't even know what to say about posting a video of a 3 year old reeling off tobacco company names.

So its ok to use money to make a point about existing BL460 backs, but an absolute no-no to make a point about current pricing with a very sincere offer to pay for certain examples? Please clarify the difference between MY offer and TED's offer.

[Kawika]

Ted doesn't suck all the air out of the room.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Chicago206

So its ok to use money to make a point about existing BL460 backs, but an absolute no-no to make a point about current pricing with a very sincere offer to pay for certain examples? Please clarify the difference between MY offer and TED's offer.

Ted was offering a reward for info about cards that he is fairly certain do not exist...he was doing it to make a point. He also has a long history in this hobby as a researcher, author, and collector. Your short history seems to be pissing everyone off on the CU boards, trekking over to our board and doing the same thing in short order.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Chicago206

So its ok to use money to make a point about existing BL460 backs, but an absolute no-no to make a point about current pricing with a very sincere offer to pay for certain examples? Please clarify the difference between MY offer and TED's offer.

Let's try it this way --- every time you post, we all hear screaming, whining, complaining in your text. You could write the same sentence as any of us, and have it come off entirely different. That is because your personality on here is the worst most of us have seen in years. We all think you're a complete joke. So even if you had something valid to contribute, it would look like it was coming from the biggest fool in the room --

-- you have no credibility and have lost the ability to gain any credibility in the short term.

[dstudeba]

Originally Posted by Chicago206

If there are still 1,000,000 total T206 cards surviving in all grades/backs/and players, certainly the red Hindu version makes up far less than 1% of the total population, and quite possibly even far less than 1/2 of 1% (fewer than 5,000 total cards). That pretty much qualifies as "rare" when taken in context.

If you put it in that context I guess it could qualify as rare, but in the the context of card collecting I wouldn't consider something that had 5,000 examples rare. Despite what it looks like today, this board is a vintage baseball card board, not a T206 board.

[Browncow75]

So many people complain that there is too many T206 posts on here, but I dont understand why. If there is so much interest in other sets, wouldnt there be just as many posts about them? Nobody is keeping non-T206 posts from being posted, so lets get some threads going on them and BE CONSTRUCTIVE with them lol. Enough negativity! Again, just my 2 cents. Im running out of pocket change here people!

[dstudeba]

Sorry to come off as negative. My point was that while it might be a rare t206, when you say it is a rare baseball card, many would disagree since in the larger context of the board it is not a rare vintage card.

If people want to talk about t206 cards that is perfectly fine. I have said way too much it is time for me to shut up. Take care, bye.

[slidekellyslide]

I think T206 collectors for the most part don't even consider the Honus Wagner card to be rare.

[Browncow75]

If it wasnt for the internet, there would be a TON of "rare" cards, that we dont consider rare now. The ease of a quick Google search can find you just about any card you want to find these days, if you look hard enough.

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I think T206 collectors for the most part don't even consider the Honus Wagner card to be rare.

That may be a fact. However, as I stated earlier, "rare" is a relative term.

[Potomac Yank]

Here's what I'm getting from the kind, and understanding folks of this forum.

In so many words, they are saying ... build a seperate forum for the special breed.

Let's call it ... The Cat Walk for Tender Skin Pussy Cats.

Build it, and they will come.

[Browncow75]

Originally Posted by Potomac Yank

Here's what I'm getting from the kind, and understanding folks of this forum.

In so many words, they are saying ... build a seperate forum for the special breed.

Let's call it ... The Cat Walk for Tender Skin Pussy Cats.

Build it, and they will come.

Hey Joe,
Maybe Leon can alter the signup page with a box to check that says "Does not play well with others". We will know who to look out for then!

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by Browncow75

Hey Joe,
Maybe Leon can alter the signup page with a box to check that says "Does not play well with others". We will know who to look out for then!

And maybe tweak the software so that you arent allowed an opinion until you can prove you have been collecting for at least 25 years!