REA: 4 Planks & 5 Magies

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by JP

Quoting someone's past statements and quoting a contradictory followup can only be meant to make me look foolish. Congratulations, I'm a fool. Can you just finish me off once and for all, or can I expect indefinite playground bully behavior from you?
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JP,

You have to admit, you've been all over the map on this Plank, (and maybe a few other things.) First you were keeping it. Then you were having it "unrestored." Then you were flipping it. Then you were keeping it again. And finally, you consigned it within a week or so of getting it.

Your life with this card is like the life span of a fruit fly, 3... 4 weeks, tops.

Many of us make impulse purchases and then debate what to do. Most of us don't have that stream of consciousness discussion ON THE BOARD! We just have it to ourselves.

That's all Rob's commenting on.

[JP]

Jim,

Your recollection is flawed. Those OPTIONS were discussed openly as I was looking for opinions, and I asked the group for feedback on all of those options. Never were those "decisions" made of what to do with the card. Figured it was worth brainstorming on the board as collective knowledge is unparalleled.

I knew you'd come out of the woodwork on this one...you and Rob are the Randolph and Mortimer of this group. Always there to attack and lend your opinion as fact.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by JP

Jim,

Your recollection is flawed. Those OPTIONS were discussed openly as I was looking for opinions, and I asked the group for feedback on all of those options. Never were those "decisions" made of what to do with the card. Figured it was worth brainstorming on the board as collective knowledge is unparalleled.

I knew you'd come out of the woodwork on this one...you and Rob are the Randolph and Mortimer of this group. Always there to attack and lend your opinion as fact.

Really? Looking for opinions? You repeatedly STATED what you intended to do with the card, and then would change your mind 15 minutes later. Just laugh at it. We all are.

(And as far as Rob and I, when he's an asshat, I tell him. I don't have to tell him tonight.)

From the same thread, a month ago:


03/02/10: Post #1 - That being said, my question is about alterations and restoration. I feel like I got a hell of a deal buying this card at $18K. Does anyone think it is possible to hire out a restorer for a few grand to return this card to its previous "Very Good" condition? A PSA 3 Plank is worth around $75K, so any restoration that could guarantee a straight grade of any sort from PSA seems like it would be worthwhile. I was going to inquire to Joe Orlando if he could recommend somebody that could guarantee a complete restoration... (RESTORING IT!)

03/03/10: Post #8 - If I can't restore it back to anything than what it already is "Authentic" then I think I'll keep it in it's beautiful PSA 8 appearance. May be the best looking Plank there is....all siliconed up! (KEEPING IT)

03/03/10: Post #12 - I have complete faith in Legendary until I am shown otherwise, and maybe this card can be flipped on the near future for a nice profit, but I'll probably talk myself out of that! (FLIPPING IT... MAYBE!)

03/03/10: Post #17 - I appreciate the feedback, everyone. I will be leaving my "new and improved" Plank in its current condition. It was also remain in my possession unless I am offered something irresistible -- a mid to high grade Demmitt or a high grade Cobb. If you've got either, hit me up! (TRADING IT!)

03/03/10: Post #20 - But the point is moot - the card seems to be irreversibly altered, and so I will just enjoy its enhanced facade and take it for what it's worth. (KEEPING IT!)

03/03/10: Post #25 - Quote:
Originally Posted by Exhibitman
I do have a very nice mint Cobb that I'd trade for it--of course, it is a 1976 Topps All Time All Star. Any interest?
Deal.

EDIT: No deal! (TRADING IT TO ADAM! NO. NOT REALLY!)


03/03/10: Post #31 - Quote:
Originally Posted by Orioles1954
In our May 2009 sale, a T206 Plank SGC Authentic sold for $27,500 before juice.
Deal! Who is "our" referring to? Pardon my ignorance. (CONSIGNING IT TO H&S!)

03/03/10: Post #46 - Thank you, much appreciated! My ultimate goal is to trade it for other high-end T-206s even before I get it in hand. (TRADING IT!)

03/04/10: Post #50 - Apparently the joke I made was misconstrued, or completely missed. I have no intention of moving this card. (KEEPING IT!)

03/07/10: Post #65 - I've decided to leave it alone. If the right offer comes along, so be it, but until then, I'm holding. (DEFINITELY KEEPING IT! MAYBE! UNLESS I TRADE IT!))

[JP]

You just proved my point, thank you. I ask about restoration possibilities and you mark that is a decision made? You obviously don't pay attention very well. Then you have joke posts and posts by others as decisions made by me??? You do shoddy detective work. You telling Rob he's an asshat is some serious pot calling kettle action. I just have to come to grips that you and he are perfect examples of everything this is wrong with this hobby today. Your "asshat"ness turns off a lot more people than you may think. Of course, you're oblivious to it all...

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by jp

you just proved my point, thank you. I ask about restoration possibilities and you mark that is a decision made? You obviously don't pay attention very well. Then you have joke posts and posts by others as decisions made by me??? You do shoddy detective work. You telling rob he's an asshat is some serious pot calling kettle action. I just have to come to grips that you and he are perfect examples of everything this is wrong with this hobby today. Your "asshat"ness turns off a lot more people than you may think. Of course, you're oblivious to it all...

lol!

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by JP

I just have to come to grips that you and he are perfect examples of everything this is wrong with this hobby today.

JP, there is an auction house under criminal investigation for ripping off hobbyists for millions of dollars, there are card doctors trimming thousands of cards a year, there is a psychotic, apparently neo-Nazi collector named Scott Elkins who lives in a trailer and gets off on violating roosters, and you think that Rob and Jim are the "perfect example of everything that is wrong with this hobby?" Dude, really?

[Jay Wolt]

At least he had a nice movie reference

[JP]

Originally Posted by calvindog

JP, there is an auction house under criminal investigation for ripping off hobbyists for millions of dollars, there are card doctors trimming thousands of cards a year, there is a psychotic, apparently neo-Nazi collector named Scott Elkins who lives in a trailer and gets off on violating roosters, and you think that Rob and Jim are the "perfect example of everything that is wrong with this hobby?" Dude, really?

Yes, I do. Your examples I feel are perfect for what is wrong within the business of buying and selling cards.

Rob and Jim are examples of what is wrong with the hobby. Disrespectful, belittling others. Fraternity mentality that yields "that guy" who shows up at his high school reunions and doesn't realize everyone else has grown up. You won't see me throwing the first stone against anyone...

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by JP

Rob and Jim are examples of what is wrong with the hobby.

hmmm... I can't argue with that.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by JP

Disrespectful, belittling others.

Just out of curiousity, during your long duration on the board, who have I ever been disrespectful or belittling to, besides Dorskind and you?

(And don't count me calling Rob an asshat. I only do that when it's true.)

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

JP, there is an auction house under criminal investigation for ripping off hobbyists for millions of dollars, there are card doctors trimming thousands of cards a year, there is a psychotic, apparently neo-Nazi collector named Scott Elkins who lives in a trailer and gets off on violating roosters, and you think that Rob and Jim are the "perfect example of everything that is wrong with this hobby?" Dude, really?

None of those guys questioned JP when he came on the board in February, working the BST for T206's for his sons and then turned around and flipped them on Ebay two weeks later.

None of them asked questions when another board member bought a card on Ebay for @$250, sold it to JP on the BST for @160, and then promptly bought it back from JP on Ebay a week later for @185. (numbers are estimates.)

None of them commented when he demanded that a thread be deleted/locked because it asked questions about one of his completed ebay auctions.

None of them laughed pubicly when JP bought a card in early March, flapped in the wind for 3-4 days, changing his mind multiple times, then flipped it in REA in April.

Yes. I am everything that is wrong with this hobby. I hang my head in shame!

[Anthony S.]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

None of those guys questioned JP when he came on the board in February, working the BST for T206's for his sons and then turned around and flipped them on Ebay two weeks later.

To be fair, Jim, maybe he sells the cards to his sons on Ebay.

[JP]

Jim, you're an a**hole. No two ways about it....you've already been warned by Leon once about talking about my kids (my son is 4 years old) so I'm hoping you just blew your second chance.

Originally Posted by Jim VB

None of those guys questioned JP when he came on the board in February, working the BST for T206's for his sons and then turned around and flipped them on Ebay two weeks later.

A lot of people sold me cards on BST. I also purchased cards in private deals that were higher grades or dupes of the ones I bought on BST, and so I sold them on eBay. Who cares?

Originally Posted by Jim VB

None of them asked questions when another board member bought a card on Ebay for @$250, sold it to JP on the BST for @160, and then promptly bought it back from JP on Ebay a week later for @185. (numbers are estimates.)

Beaten this horse dead enough times, jerk? I buy and sell hundreds and hundreds of cards on eBay every year, and thousands more off of eBay. Who cares if someone buys back a card they sold to me? I have no control over that, so stop trying to make me out to be a bad guy. I have perfect buying and selling feedback, and no one has yet to make an accusation. Either grow a pair and make an accusation or shut the f*ck up.

Originally Posted by Jim VB

None of them commented when he demanded that a thread be deleted/locked because it asked questions about one of his completed ebay auctions.

Now you're just recycling your "zingers". That is the same thread as your previous paragraph.

Originally Posted by Jim VB

None of them laughed pubicly when JP bought a card in early March, flapped in the wind for 3-4 days, changing his mind multiple times, then flipped it in REA in April.

Again, can you not read? I bought a card that was second to a card I really wanted and never expected to win, tossed around the idea of reversing restoration to get the card out of it I really wanted, was convinced by others it was not possible, and now am consigning it in hopes of getting what was my original intended purchase.

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Yes. I am everything that is wrong with this hobby. I hang my head in shame!

Not only do I think you are what's wrong with this hobby, I think you're also a perfect example of what is wrong with a lot of humanity. You're a piece of sh*t. Next time try to speak to others with a bit of respect and understanding instead of drawing false conclusions and trying to badger others into submission.

You're on my ignore list for now. I'm guessing you've made the roster with other people as well in the past.

I strongly suggest you never mention my kids again. Banishment will be the least of your concerns. This is my last post on the subject.

(Here's where you can make one of your smartass remarks like "how will you be able to read when I talk about your kids when I'm on your ignore list?" Others will let me know if you do, and that will be enough.)