REA: 4 Planks & 5 Magies

[JP]

Wesley, sorry, no comment on details of the agreement. But I can say that the deal I have is good enough to get all of my future business.

And Rob, I was 100 percent serious that you didn't have to be a jerk in every post. Quoting someone's past statements and quoting a contradictory followup can only be meant to make me look foolish. Congratulations, I'm a fool. Can you just finish me off once and for all, or can I expect indefinite playground bully behavior from you?
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[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by JP

Quoting someone's past statements and quoting a contradictory followup can only be meant to make me look foolish. Congratulations, I'm a fool. Can you just finish me off once and for all, or can I expect indefinite playground bully behavior from you?
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JP,

You have to admit, you've been all over the map on this Plank, (and maybe a few other things.) First you were keeping it. Then you were having it "unrestored." Then you were flipping it. Then you were keeping it again. And finally, you consigned it within a week or so of getting it.

Your life with this card is like the life span of a fruit fly, 3... 4 weeks, tops.

Many of us make impulse purchases and then debate what to do. Most of us don't have that stream of consciousness discussion ON THE BOARD! We just have it to ourselves.

That's all Rob's commenting on.

[JP]

Jim,

Your recollection is flawed. Those OPTIONS were discussed openly as I was looking for opinions, and I asked the group for feedback on all of those options. Never were those "decisions" made of what to do with the card. Figured it was worth brainstorming on the board as collective knowledge is unparalleled.

I knew you'd come out of the woodwork on this one...you and Rob are the Randolph and Mortimer of this group. Always there to attack and lend your opinion as fact.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by JP

Jim,

Your recollection is flawed. Those OPTIONS were discussed openly as I was looking for opinions, and I asked the group for feedback on all of those options. Never were those "decisions" made of what to do with the card. Figured it was worth brainstorming on the board as collective knowledge is unparalleled.

I knew you'd come out of the woodwork on this one...you and Rob are the Randolph and Mortimer of this group. Always there to attack and lend your opinion as fact.

Really? Looking for opinions? You repeatedly STATED what you intended to do with the card, and then would change your mind 15 minutes later. Just laugh at it. We all are.

(And as far as Rob and I, when he's an asshat, I tell him. I don't have to tell him tonight.)

From the same thread, a month ago:


03/02/10: Post #1 - That being said, my question is about alterations and restoration. I feel like I got a hell of a deal buying this card at $18K. Does anyone think it is possible to hire out a restorer for a few grand to return this card to its previous "Very Good" condition? A PSA 3 Plank is worth around $75K, so any restoration that could guarantee a straight grade of any sort from PSA seems like it would be worthwhile. I was going to inquire to Joe Orlando if he could recommend somebody that could guarantee a complete restoration... (RESTORING IT!)

03/03/10: Post #8 - If I can't restore it back to anything than what it already is "Authentic" then I think I'll keep it in it's beautiful PSA 8 appearance. May be the best looking Plank there is....all siliconed up! (KEEPING IT)

03/03/10: Post #12 - I have complete faith in Legendary until I am shown otherwise, and maybe this card can be flipped on the near future for a nice profit, but I'll probably talk myself out of that! (FLIPPING IT... MAYBE!)

03/03/10: Post #17 - I appreciate the feedback, everyone. I will be leaving my "new and improved" Plank in its current condition. It was also remain in my possession unless I am offered something irresistible -- a mid to high grade Demmitt or a high grade Cobb. If you've got either, hit me up! (TRADING IT!)

03/03/10: Post #20 - But the point is moot - the card seems to be irreversibly altered, and so I will just enjoy its enhanced facade and take it for what it's worth. (KEEPING IT!)

03/03/10: Post #25 - Quote:
Originally Posted by Exhibitman
I do have a very nice mint Cobb that I'd trade for it--of course, it is a 1976 Topps All Time All Star. Any interest?
Deal.

EDIT: No deal! (TRADING IT TO ADAM! NO. NOT REALLY!)


03/03/10: Post #31 - Quote:
Originally Posted by Orioles1954
In our May 2009 sale, a T206 Plank SGC Authentic sold for $27,500 before juice.
Deal! Who is "our" referring to? Pardon my ignorance. (CONSIGNING IT TO H&S!)

03/03/10: Post #46 - Thank you, much appreciated! My ultimate goal is to trade it for other high-end T-206s even before I get it in hand. (TRADING IT!)

03/04/10: Post #50 - Apparently the joke I made was misconstrued, or completely missed. I have no intention of moving this card. (KEEPING IT!)

03/07/10: Post #65 - I've decided to leave it alone. If the right offer comes along, so be it, but until then, I'm holding. (DEFINITELY KEEPING IT! MAYBE! UNLESS I TRADE IT!))

[JP]

You just proved my point, thank you. I ask about restoration possibilities and you mark that is a decision made? You obviously don't pay attention very well. Then you have joke posts and posts by others as decisions made by me??? You do shoddy detective work. You telling Rob he's an asshat is some serious pot calling kettle action. I just have to come to grips that you and he are perfect examples of everything this is wrong with this hobby today. Your "asshat"ness turns off a lot more people than you may think. Of course, you're oblivious to it all...

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by jp

you just proved my point, thank you. I ask about restoration possibilities and you mark that is a decision made? You obviously don't pay attention very well. Then you have joke posts and posts by others as decisions made by me??? You do shoddy detective work. You telling rob he's an asshat is some serious pot calling kettle action. I just have to come to grips that you and he are perfect examples of everything this is wrong with this hobby today. Your "asshat"ness turns off a lot more people than you may think. Of course, you're oblivious to it all...

lol!

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by JP

I just have to come to grips that you and he are perfect examples of everything this is wrong with this hobby today.

JP, there is an auction house under criminal investigation for ripping off hobbyists for millions of dollars, there are card doctors trimming thousands of cards a year, there is a psychotic, apparently neo-Nazi collector named Scott Elkins who lives in a trailer and gets off on violating roosters, and you think that Rob and Jim are the "perfect example of everything that is wrong with this hobby?" Dude, really?

[Jay Wolt]

At least he had a nice movie reference

[JP]

Originally Posted by calvindog

JP, there is an auction house under criminal investigation for ripping off hobbyists for millions of dollars, there are card doctors trimming thousands of cards a year, there is a psychotic, apparently neo-Nazi collector named Scott Elkins who lives in a trailer and gets off on violating roosters, and you think that Rob and Jim are the "perfect example of everything that is wrong with this hobby?" Dude, really?

Yes, I do. Your examples I feel are perfect for what is wrong within the business of buying and selling cards.

Rob and Jim are examples of what is wrong with the hobby. Disrespectful, belittling others. Fraternity mentality that yields "that guy" who shows up at his high school reunions and doesn't realize everyone else has grown up. You won't see me throwing the first stone against anyone...

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

JP, there is an auction house under criminal investigation for ripping off hobbyists for millions of dollars, there are card doctors trimming thousands of cards a year, there is a psychotic, apparently neo-Nazi collector named Scott Elkins who lives in a trailer and gets off on violating roosters, and you think that Rob and Jim are the "perfect example of everything that is wrong with this hobby?" Dude, really?

None of those guys questioned JP when he came on the board in February, working the BST for T206's for his sons and then turned around and flipped them on Ebay two weeks later.

None of them asked questions when another board member bought a card on Ebay for @$250, sold it to JP on the BST for @160, and then promptly bought it back from JP on Ebay a week later for @185. (numbers are estimates.)

None of them commented when he demanded that a thread be deleted/locked because it asked questions about one of his completed ebay auctions.

None of them laughed pubicly when JP bought a card in early March, flapped in the wind for 3-4 days, changing his mind multiple times, then flipped it in REA in April.

Yes. I am everything that is wrong with this hobby. I hang my head in shame!

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by JP

Wesley, sorry, no comment on details of the agreement. But I can say that the deal I have is good enough to get all of my future business.

then why bring it up at all?

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Bicem

then why bring it up at all?

Why are YOU siding with Rob D. ?????

Are you Randolph or Mortimer?

[JP]

Originally Posted by Bicem

then why bring it up at all?

I didn't.

Wesley was concerned for me, and so I told him he didn't need to be becase I got a consignment deal I was happy with. The details are irrelevant. I also in doing so was addressing Barry's question of why I let it go so quickly.

I think it'll go well above what I bought it for, so I don't even think I needed a good consignment deal to have a result I'd be happy with.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by JP

I didn't.

Wesley was concerned for me, and so I told him he didn't need to be becase I got a consignment deal I was happy with. The details are irrelevant. I also in doing so was addressing Barry's question of why I let it go so quickly.

I think it'll go well above what I bought it for, so I don't even think I needed a good consignment deal to have a result I'd be happy with.

Just for the sake of accuracy, in another REA thread, 10:05 p.m. April 1, from JP:

That Plank is mine....I didn't plan on flipping it so quickly, but I can't resist Rob Lifson's charm. Our arrangement is too good to pass up!

So save "The details are irrelevant" plea. You were practically begging for someone to ask just what the arrangement is that's "too good to pass up."

Sorry to let the facts get in the way of yet another story.

[Jim VB]

Asshat!

[calvindog]

In fairness to JP, Rob is pretty well-known in the auction industry for cutting consignment rates to 5% or less for 18K items.

And Jim, I do have to agree with JP on this one, you are a blight on humanity. I will be discussing it at length on my next radio show entitled Which is Worse: Iranian Nukes or Jim VB's sarcasm? Close call.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And Jim, I do have to agree with JP on this one, you are a blight on humanity. I will be discussing it at length on my next radio show entitled Which is Worse: Iranian Nukes or Jim VB's sarcasm? Close call.

You need me to call in?


Edited to add: Following the Michigan Militia show and the coverage of James O'Keefe, you can't lose.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Asshat!

Hope to meet a lot of you guys at the National. Look for me on the floor:

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by JP

I think it'll go well above what I bought it for, so I don't even think I needed a good consignment deal to have a result I'd be happy with.

JP may well be correct on this. If he is, it will be very telling about the state of the auction industry. It a card sells in Legendary for one price and, 60 days later, the exact card sells in REA for an increased price, what does that tell future consignors? Given those facts, why would anyone EVER consign to Legendary again, unless you didn't want to wait for the once a year auction?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

JP may well be correct on this. If he is, it will be very telling about the state of the auction industry. It a card sells in Legendary for one price and, 60 days later, the exact card sells in REA for an increased price, what does that tell future consignors? Given those facts, why would anyone EVER consign to Legendary again, unless you didn't want to wait for the once a year auction?

Well, Legendary can "guarantee" great service and record "prices!" (Well, apparently not so much anymore.)

By the way, whatever happened to Jim Clarke? I don't see him on the boards anymore.

[OldSchoolBaseball]

I speak for many other serious collectors when I say I hope the Plank sells for $10k - that'll be a great flip! The eventual owner of the card will always know it's no better than a scan from a book.

Personally, an altered card with added color and corners just doesn't seem right and I would not trade Hunky "F&cking" Shaw for that phony "made-to-order" card.

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by OldSchoolBaseball

I speak for many other serious collectors when I say I hope the Plank sells for $10k - that'll be a great flip! The eventual owner of the card will always know it's no better than a scan from a book.

Personally, an altered card with added color and corners just doesn't seem right and I would not trade Hunky "F&cking" Shaw for that phony "made-to-order" card.

I completely concur....and im not even a "serious" collector. Altered cards are no better than fake, man-made fantasy pieces.

[steve B]

Oh, hey! I've got a Shaw! I'll gladly trade it for any genuine plank, modified, trimmed, anything.

Sorry if this comes across as another sarcastic post. I just had to, in case there's any actual takers...


Steve B

[uniship]

i predict that restored plank sells for $45k. an excellent flip is my guess. congrats to the flipper if it plays out like i think it will.