Huggins and Scott winnings

[calvindog]

In fact, let me start the list. Anyone on Net 54 who has never been charged with a crime, convicted of a crime or ever been a target of a grand jury investigation list their names below:

Me

[botn]

This seems to be your area of obsession so please feel free to fill in the list. Shouldn't you be spending time with your family today?

[calvindog]

Yes, fraud is my obsession along with rooting out criminals in our hobby. Sorry it puts you asleep and sorry you can't add your name to the list.

[botn]

I can add your name to my list however.

[calvindog]

Zzzzzzzzzz

[Orioles1954]

Hey, I was starting to get uncomfortable with folks mocking our writing. Thanks for shifting into a different direction

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Hey, I was starting to get uncomfortable with folks mocking our writing. Thanks for shifting into a different direction

All in good fun, James (it is James, isn't it?). Didn't mean to come across as mocking. Wish I could write as well. I could quit my day job at the HBYF-MMAL (Hawaii Barnyard Fowl Mixed Martial Arts League). How's that for a direction shift?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

In fact, let me start the list. Anyone on Net 54 who has never been charged with a crime, convicted of a crime or ever been a target of a grand jury investigation list their names below:

Me

Far more crimes have been committed in this hobby than anyone will ever be charged with or even investigated for, so not sure that is a meaningful category.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Far more crimes have been committed in this hobby than anyone will ever be charged with or even investigated for, so not sure that is a meaningful category.

Well, we have to start somewhere, don't we? Let's at least draw a line between those who have not been investigated or convicted and those who have. And the next group we can identify will be those who live in glass houses and throw stones. And then the next group will be those whose opinions are shaped solely by their financial interests. And sometimes the same people can be in all of these groups at once!

[Peter_Spaeth]

[QUOTE=calvindog;794002]Well, we have to start somewhere, don't we? Let's at least draw a line between those who have not been investigated or convicted and those who have. QUOTE]

IMHO it's a meaningless distinction, in this context. A few people happen to have been investigated for whatever reason, but that hardly says anything about the innocence of the uncharged criminals.

[botn]

A few people have been investigated? Who other than Mastro Auctions? After 2 years one would think a conviction would have been handed down.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Greg I really don't know if anyone other than Mastro is a target of the grand jury, I am just guessing they at least looked a little more broadly given the number of subpoenas rumored to have been handed out two years ago. In any event, if they aren't looking hard at card doctoring and are only worried about shill bidding, they are only scratching the surface as I have opined before. (Accuses tries and convicts self of beating a dead horse.)

[calvindog]

Believe it or not, the government has not convened some sort of commission on baseball card fraud; instead, presumably a regional law enforcement office received information about the possible commission of fraud and began investigating it as they would with any report of a crime. They investigate, a grand jury is presented evidence and either an indictment is issued or not. That's it. There is no baseball card czar who decides what happens next to the hobby. I mean maybe after 2012 there will be few areas in our society which are not yet under the purview of the feds but that has not happened just yet.

And indictments sometimes take time, especially if there are a lot of witnesses involved in an investigation. I've had clients indicted days before the five year statute of limitations was to expire; the arguable delay did not affect the determination of their guilt or innocence.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMHO it's a meaningless distinction, in this context. A few people happen to have been investigated for whatever reason, but that hardly says anything about the innocence of the uncharged criminals.

Yes, you're right -- which is why you and me keep posting those wonderfully anomalous Goodwin results.