Could be getting scammed ??

[Chicago206]

Its painfully obvious that the bubble mailer DID contain something when shipped. If the buyer claims it was INTACT, but EMPTY, he is either a liar or someone carefully opened then resealed the bubble mailer.

[T206DK]

here is a picture of the receipt from the initial shipment to Bill from me. as you can clearly see.



I am not a thief nor a liar. After the package left my hands at the post office I had no control over it or it's security. Bill chose not to pay for insurance and frankly I don't pay for other peoples insurance out of my own pocket. I trust the members here and hope to gain the same trust and respect from all of you as well. The dealings I've had on BST this year and in 2007 have all been good experiences until now.

[T206DK]

as you can see delivery confirmation was .80 according to my Post Office

[lharri3600]

I agree with chicago, that's the first thing i looked at when the scan was posted. Like i stated looks like an inside job.

Originally Posted by chicago206

its painfully obvious that the bubble mailer did contain something when shipped. If the buyer claims it was intact, but empty, he is either a liar or someone carefully opened then resealed the bubble mailer.

[vintagetoppsguy]

The buyer should have been able to tell that the envelope was empty before ever opening it, just by the weight (or lack of). As I buyer, if I received an empty envelope I wouldn't open it up. I would take it to the post office and open it in front of a postal inspector. But that's just me.

[oriolesbb6]

Why would you not take it right to the post office? Maybe you thought PSA 5's are magically light and invisible. Sorry, I don't feel postal error here.....

[brickyardkennedy]

My thoughts exactly, re the open envelope. It was obviously empty. What did you expect to see inside? Not nice to immediately assume the seller was at fault, either.

As has been pointed out, your postage calculation was off, too.

[AndyG09]

How could the post office charge $2.53 for an empty mailer? And then to make accusations and threats that the seller sent nothing? Then shun the sellers attempts to show proof and continually send more threats. Too many shady things going on here.

[JP]

I've done lots of business with bbsports in the past....I trust him implicitly. I think that someone from the Post Office stole the cards and delivered the empty envelope. I doubt either buyer or seller are at fault here!

[mintacular]

#1. Even though the recepient could've felt an empty mailer and should've returned it to the PO, it is natural to open up a sealed package (even if ripped--maybe the seller reused an old mailer)...Maybe he thought there was a note inside saying "Sorry, here's a refund, card was sold to someone else, or some other personal note..."

#2. I do find it odd that the seller thought postage is higher, but then again maybe it's a newbie?? I don't think they would post here to defend themself if they were just out to scam people...

#3. While it is possible the package was tampered with, there are very strict laws and punishments against postal employees who steal so keep in mind that postal crimes are not all that common...

[rhettyeakley]

Something isn't adding up here!

So you got a package in the mail that was supposed to have 2 graded cards in it and it arrived "empty" (I assume it would have been obvious that two slabbed cards weren't inside) but you then opened it? or is the huge rip on the side the way it arrived? If it is the latter you really owe the original seller an apolgy--threatening someone right off the bat is lame!

$2.50 is not what it would cost to send an empty bubble mailer with DC--so at some point there was something in that bubble mailer!

I would be REALLY pissed if I was the seller and you just posted my address on the internet for all to see!

-Rhett

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Something isn't adding up here!

So you got a package in the mail that was supposed to have 2 graded cards in it and it arrived "empty" (I assume it would have been obvious that two slabbed cards weren't inside) but you then opened it? or is the huge rip on the side the way it arrived? If it is the latter you really owe the original seller an apolgy--threatening someone right off the bat is lame!

$2.50 is not what it would cost to send an empty bubble mailer with DC--so at some point there was something in that bubble mailer!

I would be REALLY pissed if I was the seller and you just posted my address on the internet for all to see!

-Rhett

I completely agree with Rhett on this issue. The buyer is completely wrong in making threatening accusations without getting all the facts. Since this package was handled by a postal worker as indicated on the receipt (clerk 02), there obviously was something inside that package when it left. It is possible to manipulate an automated machine by adding weight to the outside of a package, then print the postage (machine doesn't know better). That is why I hardly ever use an automated machine at the post office unless I know who the buyer is.
Sorry that this played out here, but I don't think the seller did anything wrong.
r/
Frank

[scottglevy]

I can think of two instances where mail containing cards was not delivered to my dad or I. In one instance, the package was insured and noone was financially harmed (although I really wanted the card) -- that one was clearly an inside job.

The other instance is purely a mystery....a low value item just magically vanished. The seller made good on a small value purchase even though he swore that it was sent .... and that was the end of it.

Moral of the story....but buyer and seller could conceivably be telling the truth.

Best wishes for a clean resolution,
Scott

[smtjoy]

My two cents on Insurance-

Sometimes I just dont understand why anyone selling anything over say $50 just does not include insurance in the cost of an item they are selling, including both here and ebay. By spending that $3 you would have totally avoided this and many other thing that can go wrong when sending anything valuable in the mail. On ebay Insurance protects the seller and while it's the sellers choice on the bst man it sure makes sense.

So in this instance someone is going to be out $200, ouch. I am not knocking the seller looks like he did his part on this transaction but I just don't think it's smart to be selling and not take this into account.

[Chris-Counts]

I agree, Scott. I insure everything over $20 regardless whether the seller asks for it. It's just seems simpler that way and it doesn't cost that much ...

Originally Posted by smtjoy

My two cents on Insurance-

Sometimes I just dont understand why anyone selling anything over say $50 just does not include insurance in the cost of an item they are selling, including both here and ebay. By spending that $3 you would have totally avoided this and many other thing that can go wrong when sending anything valuable in the mail. On ebay Insurance protects the seller and while it's the sellers choice on the bst man it sure makes sense.

So in this instance someone is going to be out $200, ouch. I am not knocking the seller looks like he did his part on this transaction but I just don't think it's smart to be selling and not take this into account.

[Leon]

I have a different view of insurance. In my auction business I have CIA coverage on everything. It's just what ya' do in the business to have that "warm fuzzy". It's an easy decision.

On my personal trades and sales (as I cross my fingers) I rarely buy insurance. I always get DC or Sig Confirmation but that is it. So far, in 14'ish yrs I have 'eaten' one large item. It sucked and it was totally crazy on my part. I should have sent it overnight as is my policy and it would have been fine. I am a firm believer in DC or Sig Conf on everything though. Insurance is usually at the request of the other party and I am happy to oblige if they want to pay for it.

On our BST, if nothing at all is said, then both parties really have the onus of getting their part of the deal to the other party. So, if you send something and doesn't get to the other party, and no insurance was talked about, then it's on you. Just my opinion.