Could be getting scammed ??

[bbsports]

Here is a scan of the envelope that this seller shipped to me today w/ delivery confirmation. The cost was $2.53. If he really sent those 2 graded PSA 5 cards to me, don't you think the shipping w/ delivery confirmation would be more than $2.53? Now, who is scamming here?

[ullmandds]

i hear psa 5 cards weigh the most...

[oriolesbb6]

Wow that's about the lamest defense I've heard. Anyone who is a frequent buyer/seller hopefully understands the cost of shipping: Here is the pricing for two graded cards shipped 1st class:
Delivery confirmation: $0.19
1st Class postage approx 6 ounces: 2.52.

[Chicago206]

Its painfully obvious that the bubble mailer DID contain something when shipped. If the buyer claims it was INTACT, but EMPTY, he is either a liar or someone carefully opened then resealed the bubble mailer.

[T206DK]

here is a picture of the receipt from the initial shipment to Bill from me. as you can clearly see.



I am not a thief nor a liar. After the package left my hands at the post office I had no control over it or it's security. Bill chose not to pay for insurance and frankly I don't pay for other peoples insurance out of my own pocket. I trust the members here and hope to gain the same trust and respect from all of you as well. The dealings I've had on BST this year and in 2007 have all been good experiences until now.

[T206DK]

as you can see delivery confirmation was .80 according to my Post Office

[lharri3600]

I agree with chicago, that's the first thing i looked at when the scan was posted. Like i stated looks like an inside job.

Originally Posted by chicago206

its painfully obvious that the bubble mailer did contain something when shipped. If the buyer claims it was intact, but empty, he is either a liar or someone carefully opened then resealed the bubble mailer.

[vintagetoppsguy]

The buyer should have been able to tell that the envelope was empty before ever opening it, just by the weight (or lack of). As I buyer, if I received an empty envelope I wouldn't open it up. I would take it to the post office and open it in front of a postal inspector. But that's just me.

[oriolesbb6]

Why would you not take it right to the post office? Maybe you thought PSA 5's are magically light and invisible. Sorry, I don't feel postal error here.....

[rhettyeakley]

Something isn't adding up here!

So you got a package in the mail that was supposed to have 2 graded cards in it and it arrived "empty" (I assume it would have been obvious that two slabbed cards weren't inside) but you then opened it? or is the huge rip on the side the way it arrived? If it is the latter you really owe the original seller an apolgy--threatening someone right off the bat is lame!

$2.50 is not what it would cost to send an empty bubble mailer with DC--so at some point there was something in that bubble mailer!

I would be REALLY pissed if I was the seller and you just posted my address on the internet for all to see!

-Rhett

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Something isn't adding up here!

So you got a package in the mail that was supposed to have 2 graded cards in it and it arrived "empty" (I assume it would have been obvious that two slabbed cards weren't inside) but you then opened it? or is the huge rip on the side the way it arrived? If it is the latter you really owe the original seller an apolgy--threatening someone right off the bat is lame!

$2.50 is not what it would cost to send an empty bubble mailer with DC--so at some point there was something in that bubble mailer!

I would be REALLY pissed if I was the seller and you just posted my address on the internet for all to see!

-Rhett

I completely agree with Rhett on this issue. The buyer is completely wrong in making threatening accusations without getting all the facts. Since this package was handled by a postal worker as indicated on the receipt (clerk 02), there obviously was something inside that package when it left. It is possible to manipulate an automated machine by adding weight to the outside of a package, then print the postage (machine doesn't know better). That is why I hardly ever use an automated machine at the post office unless I know who the buyer is.
Sorry that this played out here, but I don't think the seller did anything wrong.
r/
Frank

[scottglevy]

I can think of two instances where mail containing cards was not delivered to my dad or I. In one instance, the package was insured and noone was financially harmed (although I really wanted the card) -- that one was clearly an inside job.

The other instance is purely a mystery....a low value item just magically vanished. The seller made good on a small value purchase even though he swore that it was sent .... and that was the end of it.

Moral of the story....but buyer and seller could conceivably be telling the truth.

Best wishes for a clean resolution,
Scott

[mintacular]

Two PSA cards First class mail w/DC should cost between $2.50-$3...

[J.McMurry]

i hear psa 5 cards weigh the most...

I spewed my drink on that one

[bbsports]

If you have the receipt, send it to me.

[quinnsryche]

How about he posts the receipt here for all to see.

[lharri3600]

My fellow board members,
allow me to say this about what is going on here. Yes it does seem strange that the envelope arrived empty. However, there some real good theives working for the post office. I say this because for 5 years i worked as an investigator. Now about the 2 members, i've dealt with both of them over the years buying and selling and both gentlemen are damned good people! From an investigative point of view, there is a solution to this issue. I'd like to talk to bill and dave on this matter in private. I'm tired of the finger pointing and the conjecture, that said, if you both would email me i'd give you my number and we can do a conference call so we can close this issue.

[lharri3600]

Keep in mind that it cost more to get delivery conformation when you take the package to the post office. When you use paypal, it costs $.19.

[Bridwell]

Hi Bill,
You know I've been selling some cards lately. First class postage with delivery confirmation and no insurance would be about $2.53. I looks like someone tampered with the package in route. It may have been opened and resealed. Sorry this happened to you.

Ron R