T206 Coupon type 1 scarcity level?

[judsonhamlin]

Two further observations based upon the recent posts

I think that T215 Pirates need to be given a designation outside of "T", just like any non-US tobacco issue.

For me, it is not about "wanting" a certain result; I have no horse in this race. I don't have a hidden hoard of cards that I might sell if demand for Coupon or Red Cross cards increases. Weighing all the evidence presented seems, to me, to favor this result- if not beyond reasonable doubt, at least by a probable cause level of proof.

[drdduet]

One way to consider this is to develop criteria that would do the classifying for us....

Major Criteria could include--
Front design
Front subjects/pose
Series issue
Back design
Card dimensions
Producer/Printer
Year issue
Etc.

Minor Criteria
card stock
font color
font type
etc.

And after a summit of all type pre-war guys and gals criteria could be decided upon and reclassifications may be done incorporating the facts.

For me, it's hard to ignore the look of the T213-1, the "producer", the style, the subjects, and most importantly the 68--350 series of T206. It's not just the appearance, most importantly it's the subject inclusion.

Furthermore I do like the idea of breaking up T206 into T206-1 (the first 150 subjects), T206-2 (350 Subjects), T206-3 etc, as they were all issued at different times reflecting team changes, etc. The whole idea of reclassification is to get it right and reflect more accurately all the facets of an issue.

I humbly believe the more correct the classification the more to be gained in this issue as a reference to history. Sophisticated tobacco card historians such as Ted Z., Barry A., Scott R., etc, have brought to light the detailed history of the monster. I think there is a lot to be gained by being precise and calling things by their real names.

[Epps]

If all of the T206 brands were separated into their own sets, would a complete T206 set still be 524 cards or just how many cards are under that brand?

[tedzan]

Epps, you asked......
" If all of the T206 brands were separated into their own sets, would a complete T206 set still be 524 cards
or just how many cards are under that brand? "

The answer is....NO !

Here are my numbers........

PIEDMONT, Factory #25 would be foremost....complete with 522 cards

SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30....complete with 469 cards

SOVEREIGN....complete with 407 cards

Folloiwed by OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR, and TOLSTOI....each consisting of approx. 300 cards

Then AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (with frame)....192 cards

And, AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 with approx. 72 cards

I'll stop here, because as is evident, the big unknown in collecting the various T206 sub-sets, is identifying the
cards that were not printed...."No-Prints". And, this is not a easy matter.


TED Z

I am still confused as to why no one has answered:

Wether or not the Type 1's were printed before or after the Cycle run?

When was the Cycle print run in accordiance to the T206 set. First, Mid, Last?? What order were the T206's run in anyways?

Is there any proof that the Coupons were actually printed in 1910 and not later after the T206 runs had been completed and made a short run for distribution.

All I have heard about is that they were printed in NYC for sure which Frank made clear for me. That they have thin paper stock (does not really matter). A few of you own them and the $ increase if it is a 206 is a blinder for an honest opinion. I think it is simple if you can answer these questions then you get your answer to wether or not the Type 1's are T206's and that the Type 2's and 3's should be Type 1's and 2's from an actuall set run later and not a continuation.

I am no expert and this is a very intriging question. I am fascinated by this and would like to learn more about the beginings of the hobby. This is why I like this era of cards. So much to learn.