E90-1 "shaded" back variations?

[brianp-beme]

Will check what I have and get back tomorrow.

Brian

[ullmandds]

I don't know how "big of a deal" this appears...I am an advanced type collector with a bunch of e90-1's...but don't see this as anything groundbreaking. Certainly not as groundbreaking as the ultra rare e94 single/double quotation variation on its backside?

[bijoem]

I would like to see one up close.... but my first guess is that this is nothing more than a print defect and not a purposeful variation.

[ScottFandango]

Joe, wouldnt a Print defect be random? meaning it could happen to ANY card in the set?

how about this.....for a specific print run of the E90-1 series (which we know there are several), they used an older (or different) printing plate to make the reverse...the resulting cards ALL looked a bit different than the first few series backs...is this a print defect? dont think so


Peter, do you have any of these backs?

[bijoem]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

Joe, wouldnt a Print defect be random? meaning it could happen to ANY card in the set?

how about this.....for a specific print run of the E90-1 series (which we know there are several), they used an older (or different) printing plate to make the reverse...the resulting cards ALL looked a bit different than the first few series backs...is this a print defect? dont think so


Peter, do you have any of these backs?

no, a print defect wouldn't have to be random.

print spots are print defects - - and they pretty much stick to the same spot on the same card(s). I'm not saying this is a print spot at all.... just giving an example of how a print defect is not random.

most certainly during the printing process you can have a specific problem (a defect) on a specific area of the sheet (or on the whole sheet) / that eventually gets attended to.


on to your point about using different plates.
I would suspect MOST EVERY pre-war card went on press with different plates (edit: meaning more than one press run for each card). A printing plate only has so much usefulness in it. One could only guess how many different plates (of the same card) were used for the e90-1, or the T206 or for say Topps cards.

A different press run / and a different physical plate does not make it a purposeful variation. A purposeful variation would come in the pre-press if someone change the artwork that was used for the plates.


Basically what I am saying from the scan (not seeing it in person) - it looks nothing more than a print defect and does not look like an artwork change. I could be wrong. I've been wrong before and will be wrong many many times again.

[ullmandds]

scott...i haven't checked yet...i will try to when i get home today.

[ScottFandango]

is the White Letter Mantle a print defect or a variation?

its both!

many times a Print defect can be considered a variation, especially when they only appear on certain cards....

that is they key here, as Bob suggested....if ANY CARD had the shaded back, it means nothing....when only a few have it (predictably) then, there is something substantial.....