E98 Old Put reprint

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tbob

Rob, I agree, it's getting a little scary how good these reprints are becoming. Knowledge is the key though, knowing which backs don't appear with certain cards is something the forgers haven't zeroed in on yet.
That Wagner Old Put fake shows how easy it is to come up with an Old Put looking back stamp. Jeez, what's next, fake overprinted E94s?

Tbob- I own a fake E94 overprint. It was mistakenly encapsulated by SGC. Upon review they bought it from the owner, or compensated the owner, and then I ended up buying it with full disclosure. It's not a very good reprint but I will leave it at that. As someone mentioned earlier it's best to keep some things off of the board, or at least not make every nuance too known....
I am very aware that certain scammers read this board almost every day. regards

[sb1]

This card in the scan is not a reprint, it is a scan of a real E98 Wagner OLD PUT, which you will not receive. You will get a "copy" of it. There is a difference between copy and reprint. None of these cards being sold are reprinted they are just stolen online images used to sell copies on ebay.

Scott

[caramelcard]

Thanks Scott,

Good point and thanks for clarifying. I haven't seen a lot of this. So you're saying the scan is just a scan of the real deal and the buyer is going to receive something that is an obvious and blatant color copy?

This is a different approach from the usual scammer. He says it's the "exact card" pictured, but then uses the word "reprint" because I guess he feels that it covers his butt.

I'm not saying it's not possible, but highly unlikely without someone spending a ton of cash that there's gonna be a reprinted card where the stamp looks as good as this one, not to mention the font and the rest of the card.

The card Leon mentioned before was not close to the real overprints and laughable that the all powerful SGC missed it.

Rob

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Leon

Tbob- I own a fake E94 overprint. It was mistakenly encapsulated by SGC. Upon review they bought it from the owner, or compensated the owner, and then I ended up buying it with full disclosure. It's not a very good reprint but I will leave it at that. As someone mentioned earlier it's best to keep some things off of the board, or at least not make every nuance too known....
I am very aware that certain scammers read this board almost every day. regards

Hi Leon,
If this is the one that was on the BST, I seem to recall that the fake one was encapsulated by SGC but used a different font than the real one.

Is there any way you can show scans of both the real overprint and the fake one?
Thank you,
Wes

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Wesley

Hi Leon,
If this is the one that was on the BST, I seem to recall that the fake one was encapsulated by SGC but used a different font than the real one.

Is there any way you can show scans of both the real overprint and the fake one?
Thank you,
Wes

Hi Wes,
Yes, it is the same one. They are in my safe deposit box (even the fake one) as they are all together in a group, so I can't really show them right now. Suffice it to say it took me less than 1 second when seeing the fake one, for my heart to drop to my stomach. With all of the folks saying it's so easy to fake them I would say not much has gotten by. And remember, the most experienced collectors and auctioneers in the hobby have found these types of overprints in very original, unsearched collections. For anyone to say they are all fakes would be idiocy, imho....

[Wesley]

I have not heard anyone say all E94 overprints are fakes.

Still, it is scary to a fake overprint get past the graders at SGC.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Wesley

I have not heard anyone say all E94 overprints are fakes.

Still, it is scary to a fake overprint get past the graders at SGC.

There are only a few people that question ALL of the overprints. The main one was never allowed to be on this (new) board nor will he be.

As for the fake getting past SGC...I agree. They admittedly made a mistake and didn't do the necessary up front leg work on that one. They are human. I believe they have put steps in place so that particular type of mistake won't happen again.

[Smokey Joe]

Scan of fake overprint...