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Old 02-08-2010, 12:44 AM
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My impression is the book was written by people who didn't know how to tell if a T206 Wager is real or reprint.

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Old 02-08-2010, 06:59 AM
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O'Keeffee apparently flunked the 30 second course "How to Tell if Your Wagner is Real or a Reprint." In my opinion he flunked it on purpose -- because he just wants to give the hobby a bad name.

Of course, he's the one who gives the hobby a bad name, not all the frauds that make a living from it.
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Old 02-08-2010, 08:13 AM
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Thanks for all the replies guys!
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:35 PM
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My opinion is I thought much of the book was good and offered interesting info and insight, but a few parts I didn't like. I won't go into details, but there were parts that, to be polite, rubbed me the wrong way. But I'm not a book critic and many people have said they enjoyed it, so I'm not here to arbitrate literary taste. Though know that certain parts will be read differently by those who know how to authenticate the card versus those who don't. A mystery novel has no mystery to those who know who done it by the end of page one, and, believe it or not, there are people who can tell if a questioned T206 Wagner is real or fake. I happen to be one of them, so found some of the melodrama to be off base and beside the point.

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Old 02-10-2010, 10:39 AM
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"The Card" was a great book, and one of the only to hold the collecting industry accountable. In no way does he support Cobb/Edwards, only presents the facts as they were. In the end, they look pretty stupid in the book. But this comment above...

"But when you write unfavorable things about such decent, wholesome, honest guys like Bill Mastro"

... well, now... that just takes the cake!

Be careful of boosterism. Follow the money. Journalism 101.
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:55 AM
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But this comment above...

"But when you write unfavorable things about such decent, wholesome, honest guys like Bill Mastro"

... well, now... that just takes the cake!


Psst! Brian! (It was sarcasm.)
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Jeff, you really had me going with the first paragraph; nice satirical writing!

I did not get the impression from the book that O'Keefe was suggesting that racism or other unfair bias is really at the core of the Cobb/Edwards mess--he was simply reporting their excuses and the responses people had to them. I do think what he was suggesting is that anyone who refuses to accept third party grading ("TPG") as the ultimate arbiter of card quality and authenticity falls outside the orthodoxy of the card collecting world and is often treated as a pariah in the hobby sight unseen when they try to market a rare card. TPG is not the panacea for all that ails the card world. The book itself exposes some of the stinky in the po' that often accompanies big money and slabbing. It isn't particularly ground-shaking stuff--VCBC was on the TPG thing over a decade ago.

IMO O'Keefe is much like Jose Canseco: painfully right about a lot of things that many powerful players in the hobby would prefer not to have the collecting base read about.
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:48 AM
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It was Cobb or Edwards who accused this board of racism a few years back when we had that long thread about their card. And even that antique dealer who was helping them sell it (I forget his name) suggested the same thing on that HBO special when he said there wouldn't have been this controversy if the owners were white. There's no better way to ignore the facts than to play the race card.
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