Is this card really worth that????

[Brian Van Horn]

I wouldn't even consider $700-$800. I picked up this card for $75.00 in the back of the SCD about thirteen years ago. Has it appreciated? Yes. To $700.00 or $800.00? No. The other total doesn't even merit consideration, but all too often on eBay the price asked for is either a blatant try to find a pigeon or a desperate cry for help.

[marcdelpercio]

So it's a deal?

The $700-$800 is the approximate price of a VG condition Mathewson with a 1.5-2x multiplier for the Cycle back. Of course nobody is actually going to sell me one for this price. I am simply illustrating the point that the people who claim to believe that this is not a variation and/or worth a significant premium know that their beliefs are not in line with the market for this card or any of the other similar widely accepted variations which have been previously discussed. I was just giving them the opportunity to put their cards where their mouths are, so to speak. As yet, the offers have not begun rolling into the old inbox, strangely enough.

[barrysloate]

I think the gist of this thread is at $9500 the card is more likely to go down than up...maybe not to $700-800 but certainly half or less of its current value is realistic.

[Wite3]

I do not track every card...I can say that at any given time, there are usually 3-4 T205 Mattys for sale (on ebay, on auction sites, or through websites)...I agree with Bob, I would gladly take my T205 Matty Cycle and trade it straight up for a Hobby no stats....like Leon, I can see this card going way down soon...people drive the price (Billy Ripken, etc.) and then it crashes when the demand dries up. Just my opinion.

Joshua

Some quotes are incorrect here. Cycles do not carry a premium. They sell for the same amount as a Hassan, Piedmont, AB, HLC, ect. Those of us who buy T205's regularly should know this. If they do carry premiums then I have purchased about 20 of these for 1/2 of what they are worth in the last yr and would like to sell them and double my money.

Until those Cycle Mattys are reslabbed appropriatly we will not have a accurate POP count thus driving a rise in $. Those who don't track sales on these from the past are the ones who will be buying till the market cools drastically.

I would be willing to Pay about $2000-2500 for one in SGC grade 4-5. May be a while till I find one but I can wait. At this time I have some personal issues to attend to but after that is done if anyone has one out there let me know. I think my offer is fair, but then again maybe not. I am sure no one will have one to sell for that.

Also like Calvindog and myself pointed out the most disturbing part is the mysterious 0 feedback high bidder that jacked up the price.

[Mikehealer]

I don't collect T205's and was wondering is there a premium attached to any
of the backs line like there is in the t206's? If so what multiples. Sorry to get
off topic, but just curious.

I don't know the multipuls but here are the ones that carry a premium according to what I have bought in the last couple yrs.

1. Hindu
2. Broadleaf
3. Drum
4. Blanks

AB, and Cycles fluctuate but not more than a normal backed card.

[sox1903wschamp]

DESCRIPTION:
"Shortprinted 1911 T205 Cycle back card of Boston Red Sox player Ed Karger. PSA 5, just a hint of corner wear on this well centered card. The Cycle back is pretty tough in the T205 set and generally commands a 1.5-2X multiplier, making for a tough front/back combination here. Excellent opportunity for the T205 speacialists."

This is straight from the most recent B&L auction. I am not a back collector so the comments contrary to the above from Andrew mean little to me but who is right here? And Andrew, I am not saying your wrong, just curious.

Sorry to take this somewhat off topic to our Matty debate and it maybe with respect to the fairly recent find of Cycle backed T-205's, that time will really tell if there is a premium.

[marcdelpercio]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Some quotes are incorrect here. Cycles do not carry a premium. They sell for the same amount as a Hassan, Piedmont, AB, HLC, ect. Those of us who buy T205's regularly should know this. If they do carry premiums then I have purchased about 20 of these for 1/2 of what they are worth in the last yr and would like to sell them and double my money.

I disagree with this. Cycles and AB do carry a premium (I would estimate about 50%), especially on high grade and/or high dollar cards. The populations of Cycle and AB backs are considerably lower than the other common backs you mentioned. If you are talking about low grade commons, I agree that Cycle and AB will not be significantly more expensive than more common backs although I would expect a small premium. On a top tier HOF like Mathewson, a Cycle or AB back will always command a premium over a Piedmont or Hassan, regardless of the text variation we are discussing.

If this is ther case then I would like to sell all my AB and cycles for the prices they are supposed to be at and not what I paid for them. I bought a Cycle backed Huggins for $89. Guess that should be worth about $300 since I actually paid about $40 less than normall for it via Ebay. I have a POP 1 AB Barger full B SGC 5.5 also that I bought for less than common prices. I think I have one card I paid about $35 more for than normall due to grade, POP, and presentation.

As a matter of a fact I will say that none of you are correct about AB and Cycles due to the fact that I have bought about 20-30 of these in the past 6 months will ZERO premium and a few of these under normal prices. This also holds true that the guys that are asking for the premiums on Ebay and else where still have their cards months after listing because they say the cards have premiums and are asking for them.

I am only saying this because I believe that I have bought more of these T205 specific backs than most of you for the past 6 months to a year. You cant argue the facts (I am sure you guys will though)

Also to adress Mr Steele an auction houses deal is to make the card sound irresistable so that it brings top dollar. That card didn't sell for as much as a normall backed card. So there is a good example to start with.