Is this card really worth that????

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Leon

Give this Matty-Cycle about 1-2 yrs for everyone to understand it is not rare or even scarce, and it will come back to where it should be. Maybe about 1k or less for a nice vg-ex example. Those collectors in between now and then will lose money buying it. All imho......

It's probably equally as tough as the Wilhelm "suffered" variation which (last I checked) sells $2k+ in decent shape, and then add a kicker for it being a top tier HOFer. Rarity is all relative - it's certainly much rarer then a T205 Matty with a regular 37-11 back or a T206 O'Hara. For a T205 set collector, it's a pretty rare variation...

Again, I wish he would have sold it at major auction so all of this conjecture could be moot.

Josh - you mentioned you've seen 9 in the last 3 years; how many T205 Matty's have you seen over the same stretch with the regular 37-11 back?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Matt

It's probably equally as tough as the Wilhelm "suffered" variation which (last I checked) sells $2k+ in decent shape, and then add a kicker for it being a top tier HOFer. Rarity is all relative - it's certainly much rarer then a T205 Matty with a regular 37-11 back or a T206 O'Hara. For a T205 set collector, it's a pretty rare variation...

Again, I wish he would have sold it at major auction so all of this conjecture could be moot.

Josh - you mentioned you've seen 9 in the last 3 years; how many T205 Matty's have you seen over the same stretch with the regular 37-11 back?

Matt- You are probably closer to me on valuation as I don't follow T205's, in particular, very much. I just checked my Matty and it's a Piedmont . I guess there is no windfall for me .

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Matt

Josh - you mentioned you've seen 9 in the last 3 years; how many T205 Matty's have you seen over the same stretch with the regular 37-11 back?

About the same as those without a Cycle back.

[asoriano]

Like Matt, I was hoping the auction wouldn't have ended (albeit, I figured it would).

I'd say it is probably a bit easier to find than the Wilhelm "suffered"; I can recall only seeing about five or so examples of the Wilhelm in the past two years.

[tbob]

Does someone have a Hobby no stats in vgex to trade even up for my Matty Cycle back in vgex?
I didn't think so. I'd like to think the $9500 is a reasonable price (and a nice profit since I bought mine for $200) but the Matty cycle back is worth a premium but not more than 2x.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by tbob

Does someone have a Hobby no stats in vgex to trade even up for my Matty Cycle back in vgex?
I didn't think so. I'd like to think the $9500 is a reasonable price (and a nice profit since I bought mine for $200) but the Matty cycle back is worth a premium but not more than 2x.

I don't think anyone here would argue it should be worth what a Hobby no stats is. There's a world of space in between what a Hobby no stats is worth and what the card would normally be worth if it didn't have the 37-1 variation. That's where all the conjecture comes in.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by Matt

I don't think anyone here would argue it should be worth what a Hobby no stats is. There's a world of space in between what a Hobby no stats is worth and what the card would normally be worth if it didn't have the 37-1 variation. That's where all the conjecture comes in.

Matt- My response was tongue in cheek. I think you're right about the conjecture, but I just don't think the Matty 37-1 is either a variation or worth a bundle. If it is, and the market bears it, I will gladly sell mine and replace it in my set with a Sweet Caporal backed card.
tbob

[marcdelpercio]

To those who do not consider this a variation and/or worth a significant premium, please consider this a standing offer to buy your copy for the "normal" price of a Cycle backed Mathewson. Should be about $700-$800 in VG. In fact, I will even add another 10% to make it worth your trouble. There are at least two people who have responded in this thread so far who own these and do not consider them worth a major premium. Just tell me where to send the check