Goodwin Auction has some very nice cards...

[wilkcards]

Originally Posted by NonSportDaniel

I realize that this is a baseball board, but I don't like that lot #587 at all; some unsuspecting buyer is going to think that they are getting an 8 when they are clearly not.

Which lot was that? It's been withdrawn.

Originally Posted by chiprop

Jeff- I think we know the answer to your question.

I'm wondering why a company would have 2 or more grading services? Anyone? And if a company has more than one service, can we trust either one?

update -NY up 2 in the 5th

When grading first became popular, Beckett still was the top name in collecting but things have clearly gone way down hill...I remember "pristine" bgs cards going for ridiculous prices circa 2000.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by wilkcards

Which lot was that? It's been withdrawn.

It was a 1957 Topps Basketball Russell, graded 8. Unfortunately, it was graded by BCCG. It was probably a 4 or a 5 in the real world.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by wilkcards

When grading first became popular, Beckett still was the top name in collecting but things have clearly gone way down hill...I remember "pristine" bgs cards going for ridiculous prices circa 2000.

Beckett's is still near the top in grading, in my opinion. But this "Collector's" division (BCCG) is a real head scratcher.

The concept was to offer a lower price alternative that would encapsulate a card and protect it. It is/was cheaper. They will do 1000 cards for $3 each. 10,000 cards for $2 each. But, if I remember right, even though they call it a "10 point system", they really only graded the cards from 6 to 10.


If they have changed that, and adhere to a standard 10 point system, I'd be OK with it. The slabs are cheaper. There is no inner sleeve. It's a budget alternative.

But if the grading scales are different, all credibility is gone, because consumers won't understand it.

[autograf]

I think they started BCCG so they could grade a bunch of crap for places like Target & Walmart so companies that supply them could put these high graded cards in blister packs along with wax and other cards and charge $19.95 or $29.95 to the unsuspecting public. JMO...........

Peter and Todd now that you guys have laid that out it does make more sense to me about the BP's. I still don't like the fact that I have to pay 15% of what I bid regardless. Why does it have to be that high Cant' an auction house survive off 6-10%? Leon and Scott do 10% and I am sure they are just fine. Thats 5% each in simple math.

So why isn't there an auction house that charges 3-5% sellers fees irregardless or the reach around you give them and charge 3-5% BP. I would bid on that. Its less than Taxes on an item. Oh yeah then I have to pay some absurd shipping $ not close to actuall shipping price it cost.

So if I bid $8500 on the T205 Young and win it will cost me $9775. That is $1275 in fees

If it is done the way I think is fair. $8500 cost me $8925 + shipping and the seller gives up $425. That is $850 for the house.

I could sleep at nite with that justification. This is just my opinion but I would like to hear if it makes sense to anyone else or if I am pissing up a rope into the wind here

[Matt]

If you're willing to spend $6000 on the card, why do you care who gets what % of the fees? If the house took a smaller percentage, you'd still be out of pocket the same amount for the card.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Peter and Todd now that you guys have laid that out it does make more sense to me about the BP's. I still don't like the fact that I have to pay 15% of what I bid regardless. Why does it have to be that high Cant' an auction house survive off 6-10%? Leon and Scott do 10% and I am sure they are just fine. Thats 5% each in simple math.

So why isn't there an auction house that charges 3-5% sellers fees irregardless or the reach around you give them and charge 3-5% BP. I would bid on that. Its less than Taxes on an item. Oh yeah then I have to pay some absurd shipping $ not close to actuall shipping price it cost.

So if I bid $8500 on the T205 Young and win it will cost me $9775. That is $1275 in fees

If it is done the way I think is fair. $8500 cost me $8925 + shipping and the seller gives up $425. That is $850 for the house.

I could sleep at nite with that justification. This is just my opinion but I would like to hear if it makes sense to anyone else or if I am pissing up a rope into the wind here

slight correction...we (Brockelman and Luckey Auctions) are 0% sellers fee and 12.5% buyers premium.

[autograf]

Andrew.....you are pissing up a rope.....nobody likes the 17-20% buyers fees but it's a cost of bidding. While Leon & Scott can 'make it' on 12.5%, they're not doing this for a living nor are they producing really high quality catalogs shipping to thousands of people. Like you and everyone else, I've paid my share of the fees but each and every time I bid in one of these auctions, I set a limit (WITH JUICE) and try not to go more than 1 or 2 bumps over my limit. Cause, you know, it's just a limit--right? Over the years (mid 1990's to now) the burden of the fees that the auction houses charged has shifted from a 50/50 type breakdown between consignor and bidder to nearly all the burden being on the bidder. This has allowed the auction houses to continue to entice consignors to bring great stuff out of the woodwork. If they still had to pay the 10-15% consignment fee, I think many of the items of the last few years would still be in lockboxes out there. It also overinflates what the goods sell for when you include the juice and perpetuates the 'growth' in the collectibles industry, which we all benefit from.

As Dennis Miller used to say......."Thats just my opinion....I could be wrong...."

Sorry about that Leon and well put Tom. I just am trying to make sense of it all. Reasoning for me.