A New T205 Variation.... It's Official Now.

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

Why 2 colors of American Beauty's?

I know this thread is not drawing alot of T206 collectors but you could ask CFC1909. I know for a fact he collects AB backed cards and knows about the color difference. There was also a thread about the sovergeins a bit back. I have notices a few color vaiency with some of my AB backed T205's. I am hoping they were printed about the same time the T206's were and that maybe a flawed ink was to blame for it all. Are they valuable to me?? No but on a T206 they could be

[Potomac Yank]

SGC/PSA, and their interchanging Master Set Registries, have replaced the Lipset Encyclopedias, the Heitman "Monster" and All Other Scholarly Researched Information.

Also, we mustn't forget to keep checking the interchanging PSA/SGC pop reports.

[tedzan]

Andrew

I think you are alluding to the various green colored backs of the T206 SOVEREIGN issue.

I currently have a thread here regarding these variations, titled......

"New evidence of T206 expanded 350/460 series cards".

I elaborate on the significance of the different colored backs.



TED Z

[Mrc32]

I just hope I can get any kind of Matty for my set. It is my favorite card in the whole darn set, and yet my chase continues. I only need 3 more HOFers with Matty being one.

I have some of the variations, but not all. Will I chase all the Hobby stat variations? Probably if I can find them for cheap. Will I chase the Moran stray line? Probably if I can find them cheap. Neither are likely- but a few years ago, I never though you could get Terry Turner or Ray Fischer for cheap, yet recent prices on the SPs have plummeted.

It all comes down to how much $$ you want to spend to feel 100% complete. The Matty w/ Cycle variation will always go for massive $$. My guess is if and when another one comes up for auction that it will become the second most expensive variation.

To me I know I will never get to 100% on the master set because of the Hobby no stats so I really won't lose any sleep over it.

If anyone has a Doc White variation PM me

Ditto on the White variation as well as the Schaffer.

Ted the Bowling shoe guy is the on inquiring about the color variation. I understand it but its not in my set now so I am not really into it that much. Great thread though. Love the info in it.

[martin neal]

Not mine anymore.

Originally Posted by martin neal

Not mine anymore.

Last one I seen on Ebay raw was a sweet caporal. This deffinitally throws a wrench into where they were made and when or how they were printed

I hope Josh can figure this out

[Wite3]

Okay...here is what I have...

First off, the factory numbers had nothing to do with where the cards were printed. Most likely they were printed in New York. The factory numbers are the designations that go along with where the tobacco was packed and distributed. T205s were printed in sheets and the backs were printed with movable type. I feel that some of the type (like the advertising) was one piece of type that was custom made and then the other lettering was created using movable type (different fonts, missing letters, and stray lines help bolster this theory).

Inks...for years I was convinced that American Beauty and Sovereign had two separate green variations. One seems to be brighter like on t206s. I feel that this was possibly the ink fading or changing due to light, water, fading, card conditions etc. I am now rethinking this as Ted's research comes out. The problem is that the T206 greens are very different. The darker is much darker. The T205s do not show that much variation.

I own a Moran Piedmont stray and a Polar Bear stray line. The stray line of type is from the Mattern card. Since it was movable type, someone just left the last line in from the previous run. They noticed and corrected it. The T205 sheets were probably printed with at least two front configurations. They had to change the backs after each run.

THEORY ALERT...there are far more Polar Bear strays than Piedmont. I think that they printed a full run of Polar Bear with the line and started Piedmont before someone noticed.

Over the years, I have only documented a handful of Piedmont Moran with the stray line. I have never seen any other back. I suspect the Sweet Cap. was not a stray line, a reprint, or a fake. I would have to see a very good scan or hold it in my hands before I was convinced otherwise. In my notes, I have a rumor of a Cycle one years back as well but never confirmed.

Joshua