A New T205 Variation.... It's Official Now.

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Thanks Josh for your insight and I agree totally about the Matty. A few other questions:

How are the stray lines and added lines explained? and why the different factory numbers? were they just for the tobacco and had nothing to do with where they were printed? Is it possible they had to reset the typesets with each factory and color and thus causing our problems? Why 2 colors of American Beauty's?

If these questioned are answered elsewhere please direct me.

Lee

[marcdelpercio]

I think the bottom line is that, when these cards were printed, the front design and the back text were intended to be identical regardless of the advertisement. There are really only two conceivable ways that a person can collect a complete T205 set:

1. A true master set which would include every possible front/back combination of every card. We may never even have a checklist of such a set, and certainly never anything approaching an actual complete set.

2. A set of all front/back DESIGNS regardless of advertisement. This is the method of the vast majority of set collectors and thus the way these sets are nearly always checklisted.

Either way, both of these cards must be listed separately. If you are attempting option number one, the text variation is incidental and irrelevant. If you are attempting option number two, the ad is incidental and irrelevant. However, there can be no definition of a "complete set" that does not list these cards separately, either by design variation or by ad variation.

[Matt E.]

Joshua,

Thank you for your explanation. Very helpful.

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

Why 2 colors of American Beauty's?

I know this thread is not drawing alot of T206 collectors but you could ask CFC1909. I know for a fact he collects AB backed cards and knows about the color difference. There was also a thread about the sovergeins a bit back. I have notices a few color vaiency with some of my AB backed T205's. I am hoping they were printed about the same time the T206's were and that maybe a flawed ink was to blame for it all. Are they valuable to me?? No but on a T206 they could be

[Potomac Yank]

SGC/PSA, and their interchanging Master Set Registries, have replaced the Lipset Encyclopedias, the Heitman "Monster" and All Other Scholarly Researched Information.

Also, we mustn't forget to keep checking the interchanging PSA/SGC pop reports.

[tedzan]

Andrew

I think you are alluding to the various green colored backs of the T206 SOVEREIGN issue.

I currently have a thread here regarding these variations, titled......

"New evidence of T206 expanded 350/460 series cards".

I elaborate on the significance of the different colored backs.



TED Z

[Mrc32]

I just hope I can get any kind of Matty for my set. It is my favorite card in the whole darn set, and yet my chase continues. I only need 3 more HOFers with Matty being one.

I have some of the variations, but not all. Will I chase all the Hobby stat variations? Probably if I can find them for cheap. Will I chase the Moran stray line? Probably if I can find them cheap. Neither are likely- but a few years ago, I never though you could get Terry Turner or Ray Fischer for cheap, yet recent prices on the SPs have plummeted.

It all comes down to how much $$ you want to spend to feel 100% complete. The Matty w/ Cycle variation will always go for massive $$. My guess is if and when another one comes up for auction that it will become the second most expensive variation.

To me I know I will never get to 100% on the master set because of the Hobby no stats so I really won't lose any sleep over it.

If anyone has a Doc White variation PM me

Ditto on the White variation as well as the Schaffer.

Ted the Bowling shoe guy is the on inquiring about the color variation. I understand it but its not in my set now so I am not really into it that much. Great thread though. Love the info in it.

[martin neal]

Not mine anymore.

Originally Posted by martin neal

Not mine anymore.

Last one I seen on Ebay raw was a sweet caporal. This deffinitally throws a wrench into where they were made and when or how they were printed

I hope Josh can figure this out