The Trader Speaks - 1st issue Nov 1968

[Rich Klein]

*IS to become a SABR sub-committee of our own; of course; that means joining SABR, but if we can convince them that this is a worthy subject, I can find out, or have Tom Holford (who is one of the 16 founding members of SABR and has been active on this board) find out how we can do this. Great idea; and I think instead of being a hobby version of SABR; we can become a part of and adjunct to SABR.

Rich

I have always wished for a hobby version of SABR as concerns the history of the cards and pubs and collectors themselves. Not sure enough people are interested in that aspect of it but I know there are a dozen or two hardcore hobby history guys that would probably be intrigued.

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[Leon]

I was speaking with my good friend Lyman Hardeman of Oldcardboard Magazine yesterday, concerning some things in this thread. We were talking about archives etc...and he reminded me that there are over 800 articles posted on their website right now....Before we get going too hard on archiving we should probably see what has been done so far and then maybe just add to it? I know Lyman is a great sport about this stuff so thought I would mention it..(this is under "articles" on their homepage)..regards

http://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/BBC-...earchIndex.asp

[Oldtix]

I've been a SABR member since 1987; we just had an inaugural Columbus chapter meeting last Saturday and are just now defining our objectives. At the initial meeting, about 35 people showed up and I got the impression that most are collectors of artifacts and memorabilia, not just stats. I'll see if there's interest at our next meeting.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Leon

he reminded me that there are over 800 articles posted on their website right now....

From my experience what he has up are the bibliographies of the articles, not the actual articles themselves.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Matt

From my experience what he has up are the bibliographies of the articles, not the actual articles themselves.

I had only clicked on the OldCardboard articles that are indexed and they DO have the articles HOWEVER you are absolutely correct otherwise. So, we still have some work to do there/here..Thanks for the clarification Matt...

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Leon

I had only clicked on the OldCardboard articles that are indexed and they DO have the articles HOWEVER you are absolutely correct otherwise. So, we still have some work to do there/here..Thanks for the clarification Matt...

I am actually talking about full scans of each pub. In my three decades of doing hobby research, I find the ads have just as much information as do the articles. If you took all the issues of the major pubs, which are all B&W low-res, I'll bet the amount of data would be fairly minimal. I'm not counting pubs that are still active of course.

The SABR subcommittee idea is interesting-I proposed it years ago when I was a member and believe they had such a committee at one time but could be mistaken in that regard. If I was retired I'd seriously consider getting one going but that's a few years, off, depending upon the 200.5K plan.....

[E93]

Originally Posted by toppcat

I am actually talking about full scans of each pub. In my three decades of doing hobby research, I find the ads have just as much information as do the articles. .

I agree, they can be incredibly informative about a different historical time in the hobby. It would a huge project for somebody to scan all of these out of print publications and make them available in some way, but what an incredible resource it could be.

Do any of the lawyers here know what the copyright laws are with regard to out of print publications?
JimB

[Rickyy]

Thanks for posting the original issue Leon. I think I still have a few of mine from the mid to late 70's that I ordered as a teen. It's fun to go back and look at the prices and articles and recall the names of people from those ads. I think I found Dick Reuss and Jim Elder from those publications.

Ricky Y

[steve B]

Originally Posted by E93

I agree, they can be incredibly informative about a different historical time in the hobby. It would a huge project for somebody to scan all of these out of print publications and make them available in some way, but what an incredible resource it could be.

Do any of the lawyers here know what the copyright laws are with regard to out of print publications?
JimB

Sadly it doesn't require a lawyer. Out of print, in print it's mostly still under copyright. Of course, for some of those publications getting permission would be pretty easy. SCD is pretty much the only one that would really cost, and stuff like - I think Ive got it right- "current card prices" which was put out by legal action by Beckett. That one might be problematic.

I have a bunch of old stuff, not as impressive a collection, but I could do some scanning.

I also have a bit of a collection of hobby supplies. Various pages etc going back to 1974.

Steve B

[ChrisStufflestreet]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

I have always wished for a hobby version of SABR as concerns the history of the cards and pubs and collectors themselves. Not sure enough people are interested in that aspect of it but I know there are a dozen or two hardcore hobby history guys that would probably be intrigued.

And you can add my name to that list, Rich.

My mid 80s issues of Baseball Hobby News (almost all of which have Nick Edson articles in them) sit right next to my computer desk. They're great resources and I'm always thirsty for more...

[Rich Klein]

We might be seeing a lot more of this stuff through the miracle of scanning in the near future.


Rich

[Rich Klein]

But there is a BB Card group on SABR now BTW

Rich

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by ChrisStufflestreet

And you can add my name to that list, Rich.

+1

[joeadcock]

Interesting James T. Elder who was selling much of the prewar stuff back in 1968, adress listed is right down the road from me, maybe 30 minutes. Seeing the area now, in 1968, must have been a desolate area to live. Curious how he would have come across his cards.

Anyone know?

[scmavl]

This thread was a very interesting and enlightening read. I sure hope something comes of getting these old publications scanned and available online.

Unfortunately, the only one I remember (and may have some idssues of) is CCP from the late 80's. I had to buy them constantly to see if my '87 Topps Will Clark was worth $1.00 or $1.25...

[Leon]

I am sure there will be some more old hobby pubs being posted in the not too distant future. Just like in the most recent 1947 Card Collectors Bulletin that was posted, RE: the scam about not sending cards after changing addresses, it seems like some things never change.

[Leon]

I am sure there will be some more old hobby pubs being posted in the not too distant future. Just like in the most recent 1947 Card Collectors Bulletin that was posted, RE: the scam about not sending cards after changing addresses, it seems like some things never change.