Question about T-213's

Leon · #1 07-10-2009, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

I know you agree with me on this subject; however, I think you and I are in the minority on this forum.

As for the debate on the thickness of the cardboard stock; as I said, I'll measure my COUPON and a T206
with a micrometer and report back to you.

TED Z

Actually I think most on this forum agree with you about the T213-1 being a type of T206....though I am not one of them....but only for the reason that I don't think changing the ACC is a good thing. But besides that debate the T213-1's are thinner. You don't need to get any calipers or measuring devices. They feel like they are almost paper thin. I have probably handled around 30-50 type 1's (raw) and all have been the same. There is no need to debate the thickness issue, imo.

DixieBaseball · #2 07-10-2009, 06:19 PM

My T213-1's are definitely thinner than any T206 that I own. They are thinner than any Tobbacco card that I own including T210,T211,T206, etc...

I have handled several raw ones and I will never forget the first one I handled. It told me a lot about why these types are so scarce and why if one is in VG condition, you are holding a high condition Coupon... They are down right flimsy...

Here some more boilerplate for you... I just checked the POP report for PSA and that report tells you all you need to know about the condition sensitivity... Highest Graded Type 1 Coupon is graded a "4." (That's right, a 4, no typo...)

SGC does not break out Coupon's by Type 1, 2, or 3 so who knows with their POP report !?!?

tedzan · #3 07-10-2009, 07:00 PM

Mark Macrae and I just discussed these cards......and, it appears that I have at least one 1910 COUPON
that is thicker than most. Mark and I will be set up at the National and I will bring this card to the Show.

TED Z

Leon · #4 07-10-2009, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Mark Macrae and I just discussed these cards......and, it appears that I have at least one 1910 COUPON
that is thicker than most. Mark and I will be set up at the National and I will bring this card to the Show.

TED Z

Ted it sounds like you have a one off type card. I love those kind!! I am looking forward to seeing it...

The other T cards as thin would be T216 Virginia Extra and whatever the Derby Cigarette cards are.

tbob · #5 07-10-2009, 08:14 PM

Hi Ted, yes I am in Arkansas and Louisiana is our southern neighbor but I have never seen a T213 pop up anywhere in this State to my knowledge, they have come from Cajun Country. I keep thinking that one of these days some from Louisiana will come up with another find of those other La. issues like the Victorys but as of yet, nada. I have a friend who was going to troll through Louisiana stopping at antique shops and flea markets to try and see if he could spot any Coupons or Victorys or Red Crosses but he decided against it. You have to think with all the technology and the internet these days that most people have an inkling that these cards ar valuable. Couple that with the fact I have only been aware of one prewar collector from Louisiana with a significant collection, a guy who owned a restaurant in New Orleans for a while (I think his name is Mike Schwartz), and it's plain to see that they aren't floating around that state.

gabrinus · #6 07-10-2009, 09:22 PM

Bob, I am like you on Lousiana. It has had more obscure sets than any other state yet I had zero luck talking to dealers from there. There maybe some great collection stuck in an attic or an antique shop, but then you have to think about what Katrina did. Are there any collectors/dealers on the board from Louisiana??

DixieBaseball · #7 07-11-2009, 12:42 PM

Ted - I would love to see this card as well... Hope to catch up with you at the National... I know the raw Type 1's I have are thin, but now I want to go crack open the one's in plastic to see if there is any variation... (I will mull that over for awhile) If that is a one off card, let the speculation begin on how, why, who, and what... Very interesting... Question for the experts.... Help me connect the dots... Were most, or all Tobacco cards produced at the same location (N.Y.), then shipped to these factories for packing, etc. ? How many different locations produced the T cards ? Would it have been simply a error when producing the T213-1, where by a sheet was made with the thicker card stock from one of the other La. brands, then shipped to factories for packing with cig's, etc. ?? I can see where if all of the (see below) brands were being produced there was a variety of different card stock. We know that T213-1 and T211's were being produced around the same time, right !? Their thickness is different, but they were sent to the same factory number 3 in La.

- Factory No. 3 (La.) - T211, T213-1,2,3 (red sun, coupon)
- Factory No. 4 (La.) - T216 (kotton,mino)
- Factory No. 8 (La.) - T214,T213-3 Overprint (coupon,virgina extra)
- Factory No. 10 (N.J.) - T215 (red cross)
- Factory No. 11 (La.) - T216 (kotton mild and sweet)

This Cobb card of Ted's possibly gives more insight into the process back in the day, with all these different type's, as we know there was not just 3 types with Coupon (diffent thickness,glossy,dull,blue ink) but also differnt types for the Kotton, Mino, and Red Cross Cig's as well...

Very interesting Ted - How bout a measurement !?

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