Question about T-213's

[tedzan]

Mark Macrae and I just discussed these cards......and, it appears that I have at least one 1910 COUPON
that is thicker than most. Mark and I will be set up at the National and I will bring this card to the Show.


TED Z

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Mark Macrae and I just discussed these cards......and, it appears that I have at least one 1910 COUPON
that is thicker than most. Mark and I will be set up at the National and I will bring this card to the Show.

TED Z

Ted it sounds like you have a one off type card. I love those kind!! I am looking forward to seeing it... The other T cards as thin would be T216 Virginia Extra and whatever the Derby Cigarette cards are.

[tbob]

Hi Ted, yes I am in Arkansas and Louisiana is our southern neighbor but I have never seen a T213 pop up anywhere in this State to my knowledge, they have come from Cajun Country. I keep thinking that one of these days some from Louisiana will come up with another find of those other La. issues like the Victorys but as of yet, nada. I have a friend who was going to troll through Louisiana stopping at antique shops and flea markets to try and see if he could spot any Coupons or Victorys or Red Crosses but he decided against it. You have to think with all the technology and the internet these days that most people have an inkling that these cards ar valuable. Couple that with the fact I have only been aware of one prewar collector from Louisiana with a significant collection, a guy who owned a restaurant in New Orleans for a while (I think his name is Mike Schwartz), and it's plain to see that they aren't floating around that state.

[gabrinus]

Bob, I am like you on Lousiana. It has had more obscure sets than any other state yet I had zero luck talking to dealers from there. There maybe some great collection stuck in an attic or an antique shop, but then you have to think about what Katrina did. Are there any collectors/dealers on the board from Louisiana??

[DixieBaseball]

Ted - I would love to see this card as well... Hope to catch up with you at the National... I know the raw Type 1's I have are thin, but now I want to go crack open the one's in plastic to see if there is any variation... (I will mull that over for awhile) If that is a one off card, let the speculation begin on how, why, who, and what... Very interesting... Question for the experts.... Help me connect the dots... Were most, or all Tobacco cards produced at the same location (N.Y.), then shipped to these factories for packing, etc. ? How many different locations produced the T cards ? Would it have been simply a error when producing the T213-1, where by a sheet was made with the thicker card stock from one of the other La. brands, then shipped to factories for packing with cig's, etc. ?? I can see where if all of the (see below) brands were being produced there was a variety of different card stock. We know that T213-1 and T211's were being produced around the same time, right !? Their thickness is different, but they were sent to the same factory number 3 in La.

- Factory No. 3 (La.) - T211, T213-1,2,3 (red sun, coupon)
- Factory No. 4 (La.) - T216 (kotton,mino)
- Factory No. 8 (La.) - T214,T213-3 Overprint (coupon,virgina extra)
- Factory No. 10 (N.J.) - T215 (red cross)
- Factory No. 11 (La.) - T216 (kotton mild and sweet)

This Cobb card of Ted's possibly gives more insight into the process back in the day, with all these different type's, as we know there was not just 3 types with Coupon (diffent thickness,glossy,dull,blue ink) but also differnt types for the Kotton, Mino, and Red Cross Cig's as well...

Very interesting Ted - How bout a measurement !?

[DixieBaseball]

Bob - Tell me about the Victory find... I have not heard about that and was just curious as to when that was, how many, etc.

It is interesting that there have not been any major Red Sun, Kotton, Mino, Coupon, Red Cross finds from someone that strictly smoked those brands, happen to keep the cards, tossed them in a box, and at the very least possibly found, put away again.

I have to believe that there will be something yielded with significance at some point in the future.

Any one up for a Road Trip ?! (I wish I had a week to dedicate to such a venture, as I would go ahead and "troll" as you mentioned the antique shops, area's around the factory, old stores, etc.) Put that one on the to do list, and catch a little minor league ball in the process...

Interesting stuff guys -

[Donavon]

tbob,

I am in Louisiana and have scoured the state for T213's for about 10 years to no avail except for a lone Type 1 Mathewson which I quickly snagged without quarreling over price. The Mathewson I found came from an antique shop in Kenner, La. which is only about 15 min. from New Orleans. My collection of Coupons has come from various auctions and dealers.....with much difficulty. I believe most of what has been found were sold & moved away long ago. Hope this helps.

[Donavon]

Bob,

I am in Louisiana and have scoured the state for T213's for about 10 years to no avail except for a lone Type 1 Mathewson which I quickly snagged without quarreling over price. The Mathewson I found came from an antique shop in Kenner, La. which is only about 15 min. from New Orleans. My collection of Coupons has come from various auctions and dealers.....with much difficulty. I believe most of what has been found were sold & moved away long ago.


Jeremy,

Good luck with your venture.....I have been doing this all across the state for 10 years for any of the above mentioned "Louisiana" issues. Other than the one T213 Mathewson & a T213 soft pack (see scan below), I have been able to grab a couple Red Suns out of the state (both boxers) and 4 Tango Eggs issues....all of which were found about 7-8 years ago. With gas prices back up, I just thought I'd warn you before the road trip.