Thoughts re PSA8 T206 Honus Wagner Card

[barrysloate]

Peter- is that short for "8 trimmed?"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Peter- is that short for "8 trimmed?"

Yip.

[tedzan]

Unlike most of you, I do not collect graded cards. Most of my complete sets from 1887-1987 were put
together back in the "paleolithic" era.

But, this does not infer that I am ignorant of the Grading industry, or graded cards. When I buy them, I
usually crack them open. And, I've seen some egregiously graded PSA and SGC cards. Here are some of
the most notorious examples......

SGC graded re-backed (Red HINDU) T206 Mathewson portrait....(impossible F/B combo)

SGC graded (obviously) fake T206 Doyle error that was sold to KO

? ? graded fake T206 Doyle error with a POLAR BEAR back....(impossible F/B combo)

PSA graded re-backed (Piedmont 150) T206 Cobb (bat off)....(impossible F/B combo)

PSA8 T206 Honus Wagner....I can say this since I saw this card in its raw form at the Philly Show back
in the mid-1980's.


T-Rex TED

[Peter_Spaeth]

You saw the Wagner before Bill Mastro purchased it? Do you recall who owned it at the time?

[tedzan]

You asked......
" You saw the Wagner before Bill Mastro purchased it? Do you recall who owned it at the time? "

I didn't say that.

I first saw this card when Mastro was shopping it around at the Philly Show (prior to the Show's start)
to most of the dealers staying at the George Washington Motor Lodge.

[Wesley]

Ted,
When you saw the Wagner at the Philly Show, was it in it's current state/size?
Wes

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tedzan

You asked......
" You saw the Wagner before Bill Mastro purchased it? Do you recall who owned it at the time? "

I didn't say that.

I first saw this card when Mastro was shopping it around at the Philly Show (prior to the Show's start)
to most of the dealers staying at the George Washington Motor Lodge.

Ted thanks for clarifying, I was making an inference about when and by whom the card allegedly was altered based on what I had read/heard.

[cyseymour]

Here is Rob Lifson's comments on the card:

"I believe the card was cut from a sheet, as opposed to a strip. The guy who originally owned the card has been quoted as saying that it was cut from a sheet, and everything about the card, including its pristine appearance and slightly imperfect cut, is consistent with that, so I really don’t think there’s any question about it. I’ve always said, and was even quoted in newspaper articles years ago, that there is no way this particular card was ever packaged in a pack of cigarettes, and that it had to have been saved by someone involved with the printing. If it wasn’t cut from a sheet, it probably wouldn’t look so great! And as authors Michael O’Keefe and Teri Thompson so poetically suggest at the end of the book “The Card,” the Gretzky/McNall T206 Wagner is so unique and so much better looking than any other T206 Wagner that it tramples the rules that govern millions of other cards. It may be cut from a sheet, but it’s still the greatest baseball card in the world! By the way, I’d strongly recommend anyone interested in not just the T206 Honus Wagner but the hobby in general to read “The Card.” This is an extremely important book relating to the entire card and memorabilia hobby."