Who's the real hobby villian -- Joe Orlando OR Dave Forman ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

So someone should waive any claim a card was damaged as a condition of return of a submission? I see.

[JamesGallo]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So someone should waive any claim a card was damaged as a condition of return of a submission? I see.

Peter,

Did you take the whole 5 seconds to read that article.

Haas wanted SGC to fix the card so that it would grade a 10 SGC refused, SGC asked for a release so that Haas would not be able to say that they damaged the card and that is why it isn't a 10.

I have never sent any compant a 300K card, so I don't know how it is handled, but this does not seem like an unreasonalbe request knowing that Hass felt the card should be fixed and should get the 10 grade.

Again I was pretty right on with my facts even though my first response was vague, guess next time I won't rush to post....

James G

[slidekellyslide]

James, why would Haas, an owner of a grading company himself expect another grading company to "fix" his card? Was he just nuts? Was he trying to sabotage SGC?

All of these companies have conflicts of interest (well I don't know much about the folks at Beckett), but SGC, PSA, and GAI all were/are owned by people still collecting and dealing cards. It's not just our industry, but AFA in the toy business has that same conflict of interest. Professional grading companies suck.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I doubt Joe Orlando would hold a card hostage for a release. Then again, I don't think anyone would ask Joe Orlando his opinion of whether a card could be fixed but still slabbed. Just my opinion.

[WarHoundR69]

Dave Forman is an owner - not an employee. Big difference, the statement does not apply to Dave Forman.

Now if it said all owners & employees I would buy it.

Plus add all Relatives - no matter how remote.

Edited to add comment re: Relatives

[canjond]

To me, it seems completely unreasonable to ask for a release before returning a card, regardless of value. I'm not trying to take sides here, but if I submit any value card to any company, they have an obligation to treat the card with due care. If they damage my card, I have a good basis for a suit. I would never sign a release that a grading company didn't damage my card. Rather, if I feel they did, the burden of proof is on me to show that the card was damaged. Why would anyone waive this right?