Mastro consignors not paid yet?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Leon

Where did your D322 Wagner come from, you know the one that was over 25k?

To your question.....Yes, if I was not personally targeted then I would be less upset, but still upset, at being shilled. I am sure that is a very difficult point for you to comprehend though. Maybe you need to take a deep breath sometime....You are turning kind of blue.


If a person you knew, came into your home and stole something from you, would you be as upset with a stranger as you would be with them?


take care

Leon, if I only bid in auctions in which I was sure I wasn't getting defrauded, I wouldn't be buying many cards. As such, I would only buy a card from Mastro if I felt comfortable that the price was fair. Regarding the Tip Top Wagner, I got it for 17K less than the final "price" in Goodwin's auction a year or so ago. Finally, your bringing up the card I bought from Mastro is akin to blaming the victim for a crime. No one deserves to be defrauded, period.

Finally, I would be more upset if a trusted friend ripped me off than if a stranger did. I think many people feel this way -- including Bernie Madoff's childhood friends. I suspect you, Doug and Bill probably differ with the rest of us on this one.

[Leon]

That has to be your worst defense of one of your positions ever on this board. I will rest my case if that's all ya' got.

[calvindog]

Whatever you say, Leon, whatever you say.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeff's post illustrates why it is so difficult to control shill bidding, card alteration, etc. -- if they have a card we want, we look the other way and rationalize.

[HRBAKER]

"I know this crack is bad for you, but I can quit anytime I want, really."

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jeff's post illustrates why it is so difficult to control shill bidding, card alteration, etc. -- if they have a card we want, we look the other way and rationalize.

Yes, it's all my fault. If only I had stopped bidding on Mastro auctions they would have stopped shill bidding and other frauds. Perhaps I should be indicted too as a co-conspirator?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeff there you go knocking down a straw man again. You are but one example of a phenomenon; thus the "we".

[calvindog]

Peter, stop setting up strawmen and I'll stop knocking them down.