Mastro consignors not paid yet?

[bijoem]

I would like to understand how Leon attributed the 'billions' number to anything Jeff said? (unless it was edited out / and I didn't see it).

I don't see anything that would suggest anyone was talking about billions.



And....
I've been around people (in my own industry) who have owed a whole bunch of money, and decided to try to escape the debts and other trouble by shutting down one company and opening up in a new name.

I find that type of action deplorable.
And I always wondered how anyone could do business with that 'new' entity.

I hope that is not the case here, and I hope the right thing is done by all who are owed money.

[Wite3]

Try this at the National...

If you want any dealer (Leon included...be careful if Scott sharing his table) to understand the feeling that the consignors are feeling currently...just walk up to their table with a friend, ask to see a card, take card and hand to friend, have friend walk away, tell dealer that you will pay him for the card when your friend finally pays you and you do not know when that will be.

I promise you that the dealer will feel robbed, scream, call security, or just beat your ass...the people who dismiss this are just not living in the real world. Mastro/Legendary are nothing more than thieves.

Joshua

[three25hits]

Originally Posted by Wite3

Mastro/Legendary are nothing more than thieves

+1

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Wite3

Try this at the National...

If you want any dealer (Leon included...be careful if Scott sharing his table) to understand the feeling that the consignors are feeling currently...just walk up to their table with a friend, ask to see a card, take card and hand to friend, have friend walk away, tell dealer that you will pay him for the card when your friend finally pays you and you do not know when that will be.

I promise you that the dealer will feel robbed, scream, call security, or just beat your ass...the people who dismiss this are just not living in the real world. Mastro/Legendary are nothing more than thieves.

Joshua

I'm picturing Kit Young easing his fat behind out of the lounge chair and waddling down the aisle after the second guy...

[danmckee]

Be nice to Kit Adam and what are you doing up so early??

[barrysloate]

Now if you want to talk economic stability, think Peter Luger's...been serving great steaks at the same location since 1887!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bijoem

I would like to understand how Leon attributed the 'billions' number to anything Jeff said? (unless it was edited out / and I didn't see it).

I don't see anything that would suggest anyone was talking about billions.



And....
I've been around people (in my own industry) who have owed a whole bunch of money, and decided to try to escape the debts and other trouble by shutting down one company and opening up in a new name.

I find that type of action deplorable.
And I always wondered how anyone could do business with that 'new' entity.

I hope that is not the case here, and I hope the right thing is done by all who are owed money.

I was trying to embellish as much as Jeff did but couldn't quite get to that level. Everyone should get every nickel they are owed. It would be idiocy to think otherwise. *I never defended Mastro, as Jeff stated, I only said they didn't rise to the Madoff level. You and/or Jeff can continue arguing. I am done.

[Peter_Spaeth]

151 years!!!

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Leon

I was trying to embellish as much as Jeff did but couldn't quite get to that level. *I never defended Mastro, as Jeff stated, I only said they didn't rise to the Madoff level. You and/or Jeff can continue arguing. I am done.

Leon...you've got a blind spot, a tin ear when it comes to your friends at Mastro/Legendary. Try to be objective. You've even previously said that if you found out they ripped you off you wouldn't be mad as long as you were not singled out for fraud. That kind of sounds insane, no?

[Leon]

Where did your D322 Wagner come from, you know the one that was over 25k?

To your question.....Yes, if I was not personally targeted then I would be less upset, but still upset, at being shilled. I am sure that is a very difficult point for you to comprehend though. Maybe you need to take a deep breath sometime....You are turning kind of blue.


If a person you knew, came into your home and stole something from you, would you be as upset with a stranger as you would be with them?


take care

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Leon

Where did your D322 Wagner come from, you know the one that was over 25k?

To your question.....Yes, if I was not personally targeted then I would be less upset, but still upset, at being shilled. I am sure that is a very difficult point for you to comprehend though. Maybe you need to take a deep breath sometime....You are turning kind of blue.


If a person you knew, came into your home and stole something from you, would you be as upset with a stranger as you would be with them?


take care

Leon, if I only bid in auctions in which I was sure I wasn't getting defrauded, I wouldn't be buying many cards. As such, I would only buy a card from Mastro if I felt comfortable that the price was fair. Regarding the Tip Top Wagner, I got it for 17K less than the final "price" in Goodwin's auction a year or so ago. Finally, your bringing up the card I bought from Mastro is akin to blaming the victim for a crime. No one deserves to be defrauded, period.

Finally, I would be more upset if a trusted friend ripped me off than if a stranger did. I think many people feel this way -- including Bernie Madoff's childhood friends. I suspect you, Doug and Bill probably differ with the rest of us on this one.

[Leon]

That has to be your worst defense of one of your positions ever on this board. I will rest my case if that's all ya' got.

[calvindog]

Whatever you say, Leon, whatever you say.